Brazil GP 2008

[PlatinumZealot]

Any body saw Kubica try to get Lewis into trouble? i really lose respect for him now (Alonso's best buddy)..

If Kubica had just yielded Vettel wouldn't have gotten the chance to shoot past Hamilton.

That was really gut wrenching.. it's a good thing Glock's Tyres were not up to the job!!

Hey Anybody know how Alonso got in front after the first pit stop? I think LH should have pitted on the same lab as him, maybe he would have gotten 2nd on the podium.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

@ Spencifer: The issue is that the ferrari box were convinced that Massa had won it, and probably told him so. The spanish commentators also thought Massa won, and my father and I only realised that the Toyota Hamilton passed in the last corner wasn't actually a lapped opponent when we saw "Hamilton 5th" onscreen.

Thanks for the update Miguel, man If the Ferrari pitwall told Massa he'd won it I really do feel so sorry for the poor guy. That being said I felt sorry for Lewis last year and thought "Hey, he's got time, he'll win it one day." and now I find myself thinking the same thing about Felipe...one day, his time will come.

[jddh1]

At least we now know one thing for sure after this race; Vettel is a better driver than Hammy.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Lewis and Macca. They deserved the title (they had the most points). Congrats also are extended to the team I fancy, Ferrari, for the team honors. I don't think anybody is to be blamed here, as Glock just did not have any grip. 7 points were a lot to overcome and it proved that it cannot happen twice in a row.
Now, how can we get Vettel into a Ferrari ASAP? I think if that happens, Bernie will have to tweak the points system so the winner gets 10 pts, the runnerup gets 12 and 3rd place gets 8 and so on down the line.

[ISLAMATRON]

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Don't think I will. I was doing my best to respond to what you said and be respectful on MX Tifosi's request to be civil. Anyone that wants to know what I said can take the effort to see it if they choose, if not they can ignore it.

MAssa seems like a great guy, and I like the respect that HE and Hamilton have for each other. I definatly like him alot better than Alonso or KIMI, at least personality wise. I think he could very well be the most underrated driver on the grid, possibly tied with Webber. MAssa and his Family felt nothing any different than Lewis & his family did at SPA... and that is where I found the Irony... for some reason I dont think many of you would be as concerned with Lewis' families feelings if he were to have lost the championship mainly because of BS stewards in SPA. None of this would have mattered if The Stewards werent interveneing on Ferrari's behalf all season. Lewis almost lost the championship becuz of running too conservatively, mainly because the penchancy of the FIA to penalise him unfairly.

[jddh1]

Any body saw Kubica try to get Lewis into trouble? i really lose respect for him now (Alonso's best buddy)..

If Kubica had just yielded Vettel wouldn't have gotten the chance to shoot past Hamilton.

That was really gut wrenching.. it's a good thing Glock's Tyres were not up to the job!!

Hey Anybody know how Alonso got in front after the first pit stop? I think LH should have pitted on the same lab as him, maybe he would have gotten 2nd on the podium.

It's hardly that. Kubica was clearly faster than those two. If he was trying to get get Hammy into trouble he would've done so in a much better way than that. Please, see the replay again and do notice that Kubica is not forcing either Hammy or Seb V anywhere.

[jddh1]

ISLAMATRON, I'm pretty sure your posts violate some rule here in the forums. [-X [-X
I think you should be penalized after you posted such things. Clearly, this is a result that we don't like you here, not an obvious rule infringement on your side.

[timbo]

Thanks for the update Miguel, man If the Ferrari pitwall told Massa he'd won it I really do feel so sorry for the poor guy. That being said I felt sorry for Lewis last year and thought "Hey, he's got time, he'll win it one day." and now I find myself thinking the same thing about Felipe...one day, his time will come.

I hope so, too. The only problem is that Lewis is definetely #1 driver at McLaren while for Massa, even if he would have fastest car next year, he would have to fight with Kimi.

[ISLAMATRON]

At least we now know one thing for sure after this race; Vettel is a better driver than Hammy.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Lewis and Macca. They deserved the title (they had the most points). Congrats also are extended to the team I fancy, Ferrari, for the team honors. I don't think anybody is to be blamed here, as Glock just did not have any grip. 7 points were a lot to overcome and it proved that it cannot happen twice in a row.
Now, how can we get Vettel into a Ferrari ASAP? I think if that happens, Bernie will have to tweak the points system so the winner gets 10 pts, the runnerup gets 12 and 3rd place gets 8 and so on down the line.

How do you figure that? the light rain b4 the start obviously comprimised HAmilton's strategy... He was fueled heavy but had to come in early for slicks, Vettle pitted a couple laps earlier and passed him. Hamilton obviously turned the engine down for the last half of the race. Also he was running much less wing which slowed him alot in the rain. Then Vettle caught up to him because he had fresher dry tires near the end becuz of Hamiltons comproimised strategy... and then lastly Hamilton was ahead when Kubica held him up... Vettle surely ran a great race, but it was no indication of who was the better driver. I doubt Vettle will even look that good next to Webber next year... but we will see.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

At least we now know one thing for sure after this race; Vettel is a better driver than Hammy.

Because of one race? Get serious. Don't get me wrong I personally think vettel is one of the best drivers out there, in my eyes he's one of the greats of the future...the next Alonso maybe? The one who shakes up the F1 form book perhaps.

But to say Vettel is better because of this one race is a little short sighted. Lewis came equal in points to the reigning world champion in the same make of car in his debuet season...now equal treatment/spy-gate/anti-Alonso/Lewis-is-Ron's-baby all of that aside, its an incredible achievement AS IS Vettel winning the 2008 Italian GP in torrid conditions in a Torro Rosso.

I'm not saying Lewis is the best (Personally as a complete package I see Alonso as the best, by quite a Margin) but what I am saying is that we are lucky that in a time where we lost a great driver in schumi we know have established wonders like Kimi & Fernando but also their re-incarnation in Lewis, Vettel, Kubica, Nico and also a seemingly transformed Felipe Massa.

In short, these guys are all SO good, to say one is better than the other over the course of one race, or a few isolated incidences is to do an injustice to all of their talents.

[timbo]

In short, these guys are all SO good, to say one is better than the other over the course of one race, or a few isolated incidences is to do an injustice to all of their talents.

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[ben_watkins]

ISLAMATRON, I'm pretty sure your posts violate some rule here in the forums. [-X [-X
I think you should be penalized after you posted such things.

+1

[Spencifer_Murphy]

I hope so, too. The only problem is that Lewis is definetely #1 driver at McLaren while for Massa, even if he would have fastest car next year, he would have to fight with Kimi.

Yep, but Felipe's overall performance this year has proved he warrents equal preference to Kimi next year - much like I said about Lewis in 2007, his performances relative to his team mate showed that Fernando should have to be given Number One status based purely on seniority.

This year Felipe proved he's one of the very best atm, maybe Kimi had an off-season, but maybe not...next year Massa can fight Kimi for the first few races, if he really is good enough (and I think so) he might just shade Kimi. Team orders dictate that although they can (and will) race against eachother, they WON'T take eachother off, they - and Ferrari - are too smart for that madness. Add to that a Lewis/Mclaren or Kubica/BMW or Fernando/Renault combination that's on Fire and soon Ferrari will have to say, "Okay, you're number one"

Ferrari won't let intra-team in-fighting compromise a championship bid if one of their competitors has them by the balls. One things for sure, we have some great drivers out there, and Felipe is nibbling at a WDC, whether or not he'll be a Rubens Barrichello (no offence intended AT ALL), or an Ayrton Senna remains to be seen.

One things for sure, in terms of ability he can.

[ISLAMATRON]

Thanks for the update Miguel, man If the Ferrari pitwall told Massa he'd won it I really do feel so sorry for the poor guy. That being said I felt sorry for Lewis last year and thought "Hey, he's got time, he'll win it one day." and now I find myself thinking the same thing about Felipe...one day, his time will come.

I hope so, too. The only problem is that Lewis is definetely #1 driver at McLaren while for Massa, even if he would have fastest car next year, he would have to fight with Kimi.

MAssa was great at making himself the defacto #1 driver title for himself this year, even after the early season mistakes, great mental toughness. Lewis clearly earned his number 1 spot this year early on, but Kovi improved over the year, hopefully his reliablity improves and he camn show all his potential.

[ISLAMATRON]

ISLAMATRON, I'm pretty sure your posts violate some rule here in the forums. [-X [-X
I think you should be penalized after you posted such things.

+1

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[Ray]

ISLAMATRON, I'm pretty sure your posts violate some rule here in the forums. [-X [-X
I think you should be penalized after you posted such things.

+1

Then I should be penalized for calling him a rude name as well.

that must be your ..... ... in your avatar.

Actually it's Pee Wee Herman, but good guess.

Thanks for the update Miguel, man If the Ferrari pitwall told Massa he'd won it I really do feel so sorry for the poor guy. That being said I felt sorry for Lewis last year and thought "Hey, he's got time, he'll win it one day." and now I find myself thinking the same thing about Felipe...one day, his time will come.

What adds to the gut-wrenching factor is that when Lewis crossed the line Massa's whole family was in tears thinking he won, and then the bombshell came. I feel for him, his family, and his countrymen. I really wanted to see him win it over Lewis, purely on the 'fairytale ending' side of it. I've grown fond of the little guy too, I can't ever remember him pointing the finger when things go sour, and he's always got a word for the TV cameras. And his emotions on the podium, in the car, and in the interviews makes me like him that much more. We need more drivers like that. But Lewis is definitely a force to be reckoned with, and if I was in the field of drivers I'd be looking over my shoulder and really hitting the weights hard and hone my skills. We all know what he's capable of when his confidence is up, and now that he's the WDC he'll be dangerous. Go get 'em Lewis!