Mercedes SLS

[autogyro]

What is the range?
I thought that chassis was for a town delivery wagon but it lacks the gearboxes needed to be efficient enough.
Try this one made earlier.

http://zerocarbonista.com/2010/08/23/wi ... /#more-913

Oh sorry forgot.
This one was built for a tiny fraction of the lorry chassis Merc built.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Will it be on sale by 2012?
No

Does it do 0-60 in 4 seconds?
No

Does it look like a Supercar?
No

It may be promising tech gyro, but it certainly doesnt warrant putting down the SLS.
Mercedes should be commended, as this will be one of the first all electric supercars to go on general sale.

[alelanza]

So, the people comparing an SLS to a 458 are serious or simply trying their worst at trolling?

[autogyro]

Will it be on sale by 2012?
No

I doubt the SLS EV will from what I have heard.

Does it do 0-60 in 4 seconds?
No

Yes with the right gearing

Does it look like a Supercar?
No

What does an all electric supercar look like?
Does it have a big hole in the front?

It may be promising tech gyro, but it certainly doesnt warrant putting down the SLS.
Mercedes should be commended, as this will be one of the first all electric supercars to go on general sale.

We will see.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Why change my text in the quote gyro?

Bottom line is, Ferrari et al haven't electric options, and nor will they for quite some time.
Only Porsche have firm intentions and even then its a hybrid with an electric only range of 18 miles! And its 3 years away MINIMUM.

The SLS e-cell will get you 100miles of range, dropping to around 30 miles if maximum energy is used.
Mercedes have committed 2012 as a release date and have prototypes undergoing testing as we speak.

That it exists and that Mercedes are taking this seriously should really be enough for you. I mean you yourself said this

Its also too heavy for a successful Hybrid or electric platform.

but when presented with the SLS E-cell you choose instead to focus on how much Mercedes invested in it and also how heavy it is.

I guess if Mercedes really wanted to make a lightweight electric super car, they wouldn't have inlcuded sat nav, air con, CD player, Airbags, stability control have plush lined leather, crumple zones, active safety features, and 40kg sports seats.
But I guess when the people that buy the car demand it, you build it!

[segedunum]

Right so its not even out yet and here you are saying how "vastly inferior" it is.

Errr, read your own article as to where they're going with it and how they're trying to position it to try and not affect the SLS. It's a joke. You don't need to drive it to know that this is Mercedes trying to create their own market niches in order to not tread on the niche they think they've created.

The only thing more of a joke is calling the SLS a 'supercar'. AMG standing for 'All Money Gone' is very apt and that's exactly why they've gone with that Viper chassis.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Errr, read your own article as to where they're going with it and how they're trying to position it to try and not affect the SLS. It's a joke.

Nah, no joke. Nor is there a problem. The SLS is a GT in much the same way the an Aston Martin or 599 is. That is indisputable.
The SLM will be more driver orientated in a way that the SLS is not. Engine mounted midships, with HWA being involved seems like a somthing pretty decent on the cards to me.

So what do you have? 2 cars in the same market that do things differently. And if the SLM comes in cheaper as its widely reported, then your whole sieve like argument retains even less!

The only thing more of a joke is calling the SLS a 'supercar'

0-60 in 3.7 seconds and 200mph not supercar enough for you? Really? Love to see your daily drive!!!

AMG standing for 'All Money Gone' is very apt and that's exactly why they've gone with that Viper chassis.

The bitterness I extrapulate from this is astonishing. Suffice to say, Mercedes have hit the bullseye with the SLS, 356 units sold in the US alone after being on sale for 4 months. Total sales are well over 1000 units and there is a 20 month waiting list.
http://www.benzinsider.com/2010/10/mbus ... es-record/

Numbers are what count. Not petty unfounded insults.

[autogyro]

By the time the SLS is on the road, the technology in EVs will be so far ahead, all your 'numbers' will end up in museums.
This was one of the 'lesser' reason why GM scrapped all the cars from their first attempt at electric a few years ago.
The GM legacy has been bought hook line and sinker by the three pointed star.
Most of the major manufacturers working on EVs are finding that being early in the game puts them way to far behind the eight ball at production dates.
There is a rapid revolution in traction happening out there folks.
Stability can only occur when the FIA establishes properly regulated electric motor sport and a similar base for world road EVs.
Supercars are an indulgence based on wasting energy, I hope this can change to one of superior vehicles based on technical excellence and efficiency as it used to be before the concept lost its way.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

By the time the SLS is on the road, the technology in EVs will be so far ahead, all your 'numbers' will end up in museums.
This was one of the 'lesser' reason why GM scrapped all the cars from their first attempt at electric a few years ago.
The GM legacy has been bought hook line and sinker by the three pointed star.
Most of the major manufacturers working on EVs are finding that being early in the game puts them way to far behind the eight ball at production dates.
There is a rapid revolution in traction happening out there folks.
Stability can only occur when the FIA establishes properly regulated electric motor sport and a similar base for world road EVs.

Makes it no less an achievement. By your Reckoning the Wright brothers ought not to have bothered flying, as in the intervening months and years others would be able to do it better!
Mercedes and a some others are doing what they can to implement what they know NOW for tommorow.
What is the point in sitting on your hands? There is none. At least others will benefit from this even in some small way, to make better cars for the future.

[autogyro]

Electric vehicles go back before the Wright Brothers and in anycase they were the first to achieve controlled flight on the media, not the first to work in the discipline. There is no comparison.
Electric supercars are simply an indulgence, not practical vehicular transport.
The SLS in all its forms is a dated design that proves nothing in the market place. Leeching off past achievements is the media calling card for this one.

[DaveW]

The Chrysler wasn't even at mule stage.

Not quite sure of the definition of mule, but this & this looked fairly real to me...

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The Chrysler wasn't even at mule stage.

Not quite sure of the definition of mule, but this & this looked fairly real to me...

Totally different chassis Dave.

The one you are looking at is the Chrysler 4 twelve.
Mid engined and of totally different design than that of the SLS. When Testing the SLS in 2007 AMG engineers actually used Viper body parts to conceal the chassis, but Chrysler at no time tested this chassis as it proved too expensive for them to take on.

[segedunum]

Mid engined and of totally different design than that of the SLS...When Testing the SLS in 2007 AMG engineers actually used Viper body parts to conceal the chassis..., but Chrysler at no time tested this chassis as it proved too expensive for them to take on.

It just gets better. I'm not too sure what that's got to do with what's written around it either.

You're going to have to qualify that one because everything that we've read about the Viper -> SLS lineage tells us that the chassis and basis for the car flowed in precisely that direction. In fact, Dodge engineers were taken off the next generation of the Viper to then work on the SLS, so I'm not too sure why we're now trying to convince ourselves that things were the other way on.

I'm sure that with long lead times and limited supply they can create the impression of demand, but the downside is that by the time the thing hits the road (and no, being on sale does not mean being on the road) it's going to look the most outdated thing in that price bracket. Those who are buying now are going to feel like right planks later. You'd have to be a real idiot to buy the eDrive version. If this is AMG starting as a standalone 'high end' brand then God help them because it's going to hurt them with the later models they're inevitably going to have to bring in.

[xpensive]

...
Mid engined and of totally different design than that of the SLS.
...

So, the above mentioned SLM is actually a Chrysler 4 Twelve? This is getting interesting indeed JET!

[segedunum]

It had never crossed my mind that this could be yet another US refugee, but hmmmmmmm:





That general chassis shape does share some remarkable similarities.