Mercedes GP - Inauguration and 1st season

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If it rains in Qualy, it will probably be even better for Merc, their problems arise from poor quali on these supersofts.
Everyone will suffer with supersofts in the race, just some suffer earlier than others.
More could have been done.
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I think the scene is perfect for Schumacher to go for a first stint on prime tires.
Why? The Mercedes is quite good on the primes ,the track still is quite green and the supersofts will tend to grain with the additional load... so the guys on softs cannot push to the max without destroying them on full tank.He can even try to go for one stop only and use the supersofts at the end of the race..to full advantage..

well that did not happen ...the softs did hold up quite good ...delarosa the only one to adopt the start on primes strategy ... it did not really work too good for him..but obviously Schumacher changed way to early ..

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quite interesting comparison of Rosberg vs Schumacher in this season...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-informati ... mate-2010/

so he matched him more often than not in speed ...

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marcush. wrote:quite interesting comparison of Rosberg vs Schumacher in this season...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-informati ... mate-2010/

so he matched him more often than not in speed ...
As I thought, the old man hasnt lost it has he!
Just media hyperbole...
More could have been done.
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So in the no testing times he is by far the best newcomer/comeback guy,isn´t he?
oh just a moment ..Kobayashi may spoil that party.. I would have loved to see Heidfeld in pdr seat...we would know a lot more now..

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PDR was pretty fast when filling in For Juan Pablo I remember.
But yes, Koba against heidfeld would say a lot more
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
marcush. wrote:quite interesting comparison of Rosberg vs Schumacher in this season...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-informati ... mate-2010/

so he matched him more often than not in speed ...
As I thought, the old man hasnt lost it has he!
Just media hyperbole...
No ,some forum members here know that rosberg is just faster ...

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WhiteBlue wrote:Mercedes must win to stay in F1 - Zetsche

This is a serious target. 2010 could be a make or breake season for the new team. If they cannot win with Schumi he will go away and they may loose the Parent company.
What becomes of Merc now?
Strike one, 2 more and they're out? :mrgreen:
For Sure!!

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:When you lose 300 staff year on year, this is the effect of that.
Not 1 team in the pit lane would remain static or go forward. You will naturally go backwards.

Im dying to see what Mclaren Ferrari and Red Bull can do with 400 staff.
I'm dying to behold Mercedes parent company's patience with this project. Luring Schumacher out of retirement was supposed to be a coup, but has so far proven more embarassing than anything else, like watching your mother drunk.

It's always easy to think with your heart, in this case believing that it was the engine and Ross Brawn's genious that gave the 2009 titles, not seeing the monumental aerodynamical advantage of the diffuser. Again, the Lotus team from 78 to 79 comes to mind, when Mario Andretti's driving abilities were somewhat flattered by the newly disccovered ground-effects.
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Bottom line is Mercedes have problems they cannot solve with the W01.

1.Some say its because they are rubbish.
2.Some say its because of a lack of funds.
3.Some say its because of homologation rules.

Personally I think its points 2 and 3 that are most apt.
Zetsche has said that this is a 3 year project. Wins in year 1 were not expected, but a competitive level was expected to be shown.
This is what rankles Stuttgart, but now that the coffers are swelling again, maybe the Swabians will have it in them to pump some cash into this team.

A few AMG or HWA engineers would not go amiss either! =P~
More could have been done.
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If you buy a current WDC and WCC team with the most desireable engine in the pitlane, obviously you xpect results.

Toyota poured billions onto their "kaizen" team in Cologne, but this is Daimler Benz, why I simply can't see them being humiliated by their customer team like this, going all German with the 7-time WDC at the wheel is not allowed to look stupid.

Mercedes has been spoiled by McLaren results for 15 years, if this debacle continues, it could ruin a lot of the kudos gained, this will not be tolerated.

If Zetche says it's a 3-year project, didn't Theissen say someting similar about BMWs engagement?
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Marcush,

the mandatory weight distribution will go some way to helping them.
In addition Pirelli will have more engineers working with teams in the first year than bridgetsone do, and the information they relay will be available to everyone.

What Mercedes need to do is crack on with 2011. 2010 isnt a disaster but it is dissapointing.

2011 has alot of promise for this team for reasons I have been into many times.

They just need to sort invest in a couple areas of the team that is lacking.....
More could have been done.
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last year they got humilated by the customer team as well ...so they might get used to it.. :mrgreen:
this year they were a bit more clever and kept the star on the macs...

the static weight distribution mandatory will not reduce the degree of freedom in the position of the fueltank ,wich may or may not have an influence on performance.

At least ,if they still lack speed next year,we´d have our answer on weight distribution.. :wink:

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marcush. wrote:last year they got humilated by the customer team as well ...so they might get used to it.. :mrgreen:
this year they were a bit more clever and kept the star on the macs...

the static weight distribution mandatory will not reduce the degree of freedom in the position of the fueltank ,wich may or may not have an influence on performance.

At least ,if they still lack speed next year,we´d have our answer on weight distribution.. :wink:
The problem would be for everyone, mandatory weight distribution would mean many things.

Those that have got it spot on this year, will have to change a winning formula. So the playing field is levelled. this is my point.
More could have been done.
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still the weight distribution is never going to explain their rise and fall of performance at a fingersnip...the performance goes from nearly there to outright inaccepatable in a matter of hours ...and thats never weight distribution as this cannot be changed from saturday to sunday