Ferrari SF23

[Vanja #66]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxETpT7WwAA ... =4096x4096

Wonderful to see the floor. Ferrari shaped their diffuser keel for massive pressure recovery and drag reduction, not really for downforce. They could add a few DF points there easily. Also, and this is clear, they are pushing with their original floor shaping as last year (no surprises there), no specific diffuser kicks like RB/AMR and a clean profile to maximise overall floor downforce.

As a result, I don't think they are benefitting with added air volume through the mouse hole as much as RB/AMR, so switching to downwash sidepods would not help them at all. They need to sort the suspension and tyre usage during the race, otherwise they will never use the full potential of the car in any race.

[CaribouBread]

Corks can be heard popping in Haas' building at maranello...

Jokes aside, how have they legalized this? There appear to be two separate ice skates and I can't see how they're fixed to the floor body.. they should be attached by 6 metal links which must be separated from one another (which is required if it is the floor edge wing). Is there something tricky going on?

If you look at the further side of the floor, you can see the tabs. Its dark but the tabs are there. I can't see the other ice skate.

[organic]

Corks can be heard popping in Haas' building at maranello...

Jokes aside, how have they legalized this? There appear to be two separate ice skates and I can't see how they're fixed to the floor body.. they should be attached by 6 metal links which must be separated from one another (which is required if it is the floor edge wing). Is there something tricky going on?

If you look at the further side of the floor, you can see the tabs. Its dark but the tabs are there. I can't see the other ice skate.

I see it on the other side as well, thank you very much.

Here's the image of the floor edited slightly for improved visibility

[Farnborough]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxETpT7WwAA ... =4096x4096

Wonderful to see the floor. Ferrari shaped their diffuser keel for massive pressure recovery and drag reduction, not really for downforce. They could add a few DF points there easily. Also, and this is clear, they are pushing with their original floor shaping as last year (no surprises there), no specific diffuser kicks like RB/AMR and a clean profile to maximise overall floor downforce.

As a result, I don't think they are benefitting with added air volume through the mouse hole as much as RB/AMR, so switching to downwash sidepods would not help them at all. They need to sort the suspension and tyre usage during the race, otherwise they will never use the full potential of the car in any race.

Also that lowest area being so flat looks to make it very sensitive to height above ground, with much variance in that ride height it looks to be very peaky without much in the way of mitigation at all.
More of an "on~off" light switch type of interaction. Either it's making load or not much to speak of.

[Vanja #66]

Also that lowest area being so flat looks to make it very sensitive to height above ground, with much variance in that ride height it looks to be very peaky without much in the way of mitigation at all.
More of an "on~off" light switch type of interaction. Either it's making load or not much to speak of.

Both diffuser and wing in ground effect have the same nature, both are very sensitive to ride height and peak performance. Both are either working great or not good at all (for F1 performance level). Likewise, both Ferrari and RB/AMR concepts work well only when the car is at optimal ride height. The difference is that RB is keeping the car low at the lowest speeds, next one is AMR judging by its performance and Ferrari is at best third in this regard.

[Farnborough]

They're approaching the track surface with significantly different profile though.

Maybe the correct description from me would be "soft attenuation" as the height increases on RB, as opposed to almost instantly, for the same ride height shift, on the Ferrari.

Giving rise to that characteristic the SF23 drivers describe.

[deadhead]

[FDD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxETpT7WwAA ... =4096x4096

Wonderful to see the floor. Ferrari shaped their diffuser keel for massive pressure recovery and drag reduction, not really for downforce. They could add a few DF points there easily. Also, and this is clear, they are pushing with their original floor shaping as last year (no surprises there), no specific diffuser kicks like RB/AMR and a clean profile to maximise overall floor downforce.

As a result, I don't think they are benefitting with added air volume through the mouse hole as much as RB/AMR, so switching to downwash sidepods would not help them at all. They need to sort the suspension and tyre usage during the race, otherwise they will never use the full potential of the car in any race.

"They need to sort the suspension" in sense to keep the car at optimal ride height?

[LM10]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxETpT7WwAA ... =4096x4096

Wonderful to see the floor. Ferrari shaped their diffuser keel for massive pressure recovery and drag reduction, not really for downforce. They could add a few DF points there easily. Also, and this is clear, they are pushing with their original floor shaping as last year (no surprises there), no specific diffuser kicks like RB/AMR and a clean profile to maximise overall floor downforce.

As a result, I don't think they are benefitting with added air volume through the mouse hole as much as RB/AMR, so switching to downwash sidepods would not help them at all. They need to sort the suspension and tyre usage during the race, otherwise they will never use the full potential of the car in any race.

Thank you for your analysis!

Considering that except for Mercedes and obviously Haas every team has gone for downwash, does this mean that the approach to the floor structure of Ferrari will somewhat always be different to the rest?

In your opinion, should Ferrari’s goal be to get rid of the peakiness with suspension redesign (which might be a complicated task) or stop trying to max out the floor downforce and instead go for the RB route of less, but stable/balanced floor downforce?

[Vanja #66]

"They need to sort the suspension" in sense to keep the car at optimal ride height?

Yes, that has to be the first task. Tyre deg will be sorted almost on its own afterwards. They are riding too high on race start and are overdriving the car to compensate, eating up the tyres in the process.

Considering that except for Mercedes and obviously Haas every team has gone for downwash, does this mean that the approach to the floor structure of Ferrari will somewhat always be different to the rest?

In your opinion, should Ferrari’s goal be to get rid of the peakiness with suspension redesign (which might be a complicated task) or stop trying to max out the floor downforce and instead go for the RB route of less, but stable/balanced floor downforce?

I think it will be easier to sort out the suspension with 2024 car than to change the whole aero approach. Oversimplified as it may sound, in my view Ferrari aero coupled with RB suspension would be an unbelievable car.

[Sevach]

Another angle.

[GrrG]

Ferrari Red bull floor difference

[gordonthegun]

How is the floor shaped just before the diffuser?
I see strange geometries that I can't understand.
Can someone help me?

[Vinlarr89]

Now we’ve seen the RB19 floor thanks to Perez, the Ferrari floor looks so basic! RB looks light years ahead on the floor tech from the photos of Ferrari MB and RB

[FDD]

Now we’ve seen the RB19 floor thanks to Perez, the Ferrari floor looks so basic! RB looks light years ahead on the floor tech from the photos of Ferrari MB and RB

Totally different concepts, as was already explained here by aero guys, you can not compare in that way.