It's not common to outsource the development. You collaborate, use their expertise, but you keep development inhouse. Usually you outsource the easy part: the production of the parts.bhall II wrote:Outsourcing components is common to every F1 engine manufacturer.
Did you actually read it?turbof1 wrote:Finally confirmation that we can put this kind of nonsense to rest. It's funny that when you ask the people in charge they never ever point towards either a further collaboration with Renault or an engine of their own, yet unfounded rumors start a wildfire about it. It's journalism at its worst: one completely unreliable source makes a claim, and others copy it blindly, making it seem like it gets confirmed by multiple sources.
Someone is probably now going to step in how wrong I am about it. That's their good right, but when Illien himself gets interviewing on his earth shattering engine and fully denies involvement, then I'd rather believe him.
Seriously, if one article does not a confirmation make, one article does not a confirmation make.The true part: Actually Red Bull could line up next year again with a Renault's engine. Then he would not likely carry the name Renault on the cylinder heads. The fact that Red Bull on the electric page pursues own development, is not new. The troop in Milton Keynes already lets since two years their(her) know-how with the battery and the software flow in for the energy management. It is the single part which functions uncomplainingly. A foreign development, in addition, will hardly admit Renault. One introduces himself the ignominy if an outwards developed Renault's engine was better than the own
Yes, and I concluded that that section is not quoted from Illien. Just more meaningless speculation.bhall II wrote:Did you actually read it?turbof1 wrote:Finally confirmation that we can put this kind of nonsense to rest. It's funny that when you ask the people in charge they never ever point towards either a further collaboration with Renault or an engine of their own, yet unfounded rumors start a wildfire about it. It's journalism at its worst: one completely unreliable source makes a claim, and others copy it blindly, making it seem like it gets confirmed by multiple sources.
Someone is probably now going to step in how wrong I am about it. That's their good right, but when Illien himself gets interviewing on his earth shattering engine and fully denies involvement, then I'd rather believe him.
Seriously, if one article does not a confirmation make, one article does not a confirmation make.The true part: Actually Red Bull could line up next year again with a Renault's engine. Then he would not likely carry the name Renault on the cylinder heads. The fact that Red Bull on the electric page pursues own development, is not new. The troop in Milton Keynes already lets since two years their(her) know-how with the battery and the software flow in for the energy management. It is the single part which functions uncomplainingly. A foreign development, in addition, will hardly admit Renault. One introduces himself the ignominy if an outwards developed Renault's engine was better than the own
I know some people will read that as "that points towards their own engine" (I sincerely do not know how, but these last few days have proven people are very creative with reading). No, it doesn't. The underlining message is that they still have no solution towards next year. It fumes with desperation. You'd expect that Red Bull would atleast be more quiet and a bit more confient if they were developing an engine of their own. The fact is that Matechitz, Renault and Illien have denied the rumors in person. Ricciardo is now in person stating "we are still looking for a power unit; we are desperate so we'll take anything."I think we will take what we can get because we want to be racing
Reads very much like "if we can't anyone to supply us with an engine, we will have to quit". Not a smitch of hint towards their own PU.Unless no one gives us an engine, that is the only thing that will stop us from racing.
Explain turbo, why this is a fantasy?turbof1 wrote:I hope it's enough to shake people of Illien-engine wonderland. It's not going to happen, not next year.
It is also very telling here, that Red Bull have not said anything about the reports, but 9 hours after TJ13 broke the story we have Illien saying:This is why Milton Keynes developed ‘building 9’, dug down into the ground two stories and installed a multi million pound AVL rig – a virtual test track used by auto manufacturers to test their engines in situ. A chassis manufacturer does make this kind of mega investment unless they have intentions on a much larger scale.
But the issue here is that there are 32 tokens next year, and if TJ13 is correct Renault will not be a party to the engine developments.I know nothing of a dispute I also have no idea what upgrades Renault has incorporated in its modified engine Also, I can not imagine that a large company like Renault, the arrives risk, secretly install my development."If we had touched the block, 12 tokens would not make ends meet,"
My view is why would you go through the trouble and expense of building 1 of these....turbof1 wrote:I have explained it in previous posts - no need to repeat. I'm limiting myself to posting personal quotes and I'll be giving my opinion on it. I'll be eager to avoid going to endless loop discussions. Again, might I be proven wrong in the end I will accept that. Guess we'll find that out soon, possibly within 3 weeks.
And I hope this is enough to rattle the minds of those who've somehow managed to convince themselves that nothing can possibly exist beyond their own field of vision. (Earth is round, yanno?)turbof1 wrote:I hope it's enough to shake people of Illien-engine wonderland. It's not going to happen, not next year.
Indeed, it doesn't make much sense for a fizzy drinks company to develop race engines. However...Dietrich Mateschitz in June via Speedweek, November 6, 2015 wrote:We are not an engine manufacturer. Of course we could build our own engine one day, if there is no reasonable alternative. But, that contradicts [common sense].
...if employed as a last-ditch effort to secure the genuinely competitive engine supply that's not forthcoming from any of the sport's established manufacturers, a viable engine development program could be implemented within two to three years, but those years would most certainly be ugly as hell on-track. The solution then is to find an interim powertrain that might enable the team to maintain respectability - and prize funds - until its in-house development program reaches maturity, or more ideally, an outside partner can be found. The problem then is that no manufacturer will ever be eager to supply a team that's likely to become a direct rival in the near future. Case in point...Autosport, November 3, 2015 wrote:Horner claimed over the Mexican GP weekend Honda is "very keen" to supply Red Bull, while prior to that McLaren racing director Eric Boullier said his team "is not a charity foundation" that has to solve problems "created by Red Bull".
Mateschitz added: "There remain a few complicated solutions, however I do not know if I should be going through these."
Horner stated "there may be something else" available as an option to Red Bull for 2016, although Mateschitz denied rumours of the team being sold to Renault.
To allay such apprehension, the common sense PR strategy is to deny everything. (But, not too much; you don't wanna oversell it.)Toto Wolff wrote:I am convinced that what McLaren learns is being exchanged with Honda.
Autocar, June 27, 2015 wrote:Red Bull is edging closer to a decision on whether it will put its own road car into production.
Speaking to Autocar at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, Horner said the project "is still being talked about," and "hasn't been ruled out for the future."
The firm’s chief technical officer Adrian Newey is already said to be working on potential designs for the car. “It’s something that Adrian is keen to do as a legacy project," said Horner.
The prospect of a Red Bull road car first emerged in 2013, when Horner said he wanted to use the team’s expertise “outside of F1” to grow the brand.
The same can be said about people who think the earth is (perfectly) round while it's actually spherical, flattening towards the polarsAnd I hope this is enough to rattle the minds of those who've somehow managed to convince themselves that nothing can possibly exist beyond their own field
.Whatever makes things easier for you works for me.turbof1 wrote:The same can be said about people who think the earth is round while it's actually spherical, flattening towards the polars
