Abiteboul on the 2017 PU:
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Renault's Cyril Abiteboul has revealed that the French manufacturer aims to continue its ascent in the engine department as the company is preparing a completely new platform, including novel technology that has not yet been seen on the track.
Well actually the freeze prevented competition much more than the current era. It locked in Renault more efficient "blowing" potential as compared to the other engines. I missed your point, but I think that's just because you don't have one.ReoPTy wrote:at least in this v8 aera renault created something by themselves with fair competition to win with a bit less power, and wasn't ridicusly granted by fia token or freeze as mercedes was last 3 years to keep their "advantage " threating to quit F1 reducing to zero any competitioncarisi2k wrote:Yes the v8 was frozen again in 2009 but even still mercedes had unreleased potential in there engine freeze and that allowed them to continue adding hp with a frozen spec engine. Renault used there design to power the blown diffusers which the mercedes and ferrari engine was not designed to do. Hence why Red Bull was able to get the most of this ability in the later years of the v8 formula.NL_Fer wrote:In 2009 the v8 was equalized and frozen till the end. No natural maturing here.
Even v10 was being developed in 2005, after 10 years.
Perhaps by the start of 2018 they can catch up with where they know Mercedes are now, but they can only guess where Mercedes will be by the start of 2018, so it's pointless to say that.Gothrek wrote:http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12473/ ... er-by-2018
Renault can catch up to Mercedes with their engine development by 2018, according to managing director Cyril Abiteboul.
Gothrek wrote: Renault can catch up to Mercedes with their engine development by 2018, according to managing director Cyril Abiteboul.
Good job he didn't say it then.Craigy wrote: ... they can only guess where Mercedes will be by the start of 2018, so it's pointless to say that.
Not sure if that was really the case. I don't recall any team saying the Renault Engine was at an advantage in the EBD era. What I do remember, is that Renault mastered the ignition mapping for it first, but that was mostly down to software and not the hardware of the engine itself, whose major parts were frozen. I also remember Mclaren Also Producing a fairly strong hot blown EBD in 2011. In 2012 and 2013 the EDBS were "cold" blown if my memory serves, all the engines were equal in that regard. I also remember Some teams scuh as Williams having diffuclty of the aerdynamics more than getting the engine to blow on the overun.carisi2k wrote:Yes the v8 was frozen again in 2009 but even still mercedes had unreleased potential in there engine freeze and that allowed them to continue adding hp with a frozen spec engine. Renault used there design to power the blown diffusers which the mercedes and ferrari engine was not designed to do. Hence why Red Bull was able to get the most of this ability in the later years of the v8 formula.NL_Fer wrote:In 2009 the v8 was equalized and frozen till the end. No natural maturing here.
Even v10 was being developed in 2005, after 10 years.
He lies as usal, so expect them to catch up in 2017.Gothrek wrote:http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12473/ ... er-by-2018
Renault can catch up to Mercedes with their engine development by 2018, according to managing director Cyril Abiteboul.
That is true, Renault was never intended for the most powerful engine on the grid. Innovation, efficiency,drivebility and consistent performance with great reliability were Renault main strength in all winning engines they produced.ReoPTy wrote:too cautious , if catching up mean Pu equals the pic power output of supposed 2018 Mercedes PU , history shown renault engine wining post 2000 championships without having this edge on thier side ! 2017 PU should be withing 15hp , and it might be enough for Newey teams
Hot EBD used by mclaren was better than cold blowing used by renault and red bull:PlatinumZealot wrote:Not sure if that was really the case. I don't recall any team saying the Renault Engine was at an advantage in the EBD era. What I do remember, is that Renault mastered the ignition mapping for it first, but that was mostly down to software and not the hardware of the engine itself, whose major parts were frozen. I also remember Mclaren Also Producing a fairly strong hot blown EBD in 2011. In 2012 and 2013 the EDBS were "cold" blown if my memory serves, all the engines were equal in that regard. I also remember Some teams scuh as Williams having diffuclty of the aerdynamics more than getting the engine to blow on the overun.carisi2k wrote:Yes the v8 was frozen again in 2009 but even still mercedes had unreleased potential in there engine freeze and that allowed them to continue adding hp with a frozen spec engine. Renault used there design to power the blown diffusers which the mercedes and ferrari engine was not designed to do. Hence why Red Bull was able to get the most of this ability in the later years of the v8 formula.NL_Fer wrote:In 2009 the v8 was equalized and frozen till the end. No natural maturing here.
Even v10 was being developed in 2005, after 10 years.
"We are going to have an all-new architecture on the internal combustion engine, and also be introducing for the first time the second generation of Energy Recovery System."
Bold statement, but it does not mean much. Regulations has not changed, and they are very detailed. Number of cylinders, bore, stroke, bank angle, min. weight, COG height, etc., etc., are still in place. You can move things around, you can exploit different concepts here and there, you can refine certain bits, but calling this "all-new architecture" is exaggeration, to say the least.FrukostScones wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... s-for-2017
"We are going to have an all-new architecture on the internal combustion engine, and also be introducing for the first time the second generation of Energy Recovery System."