Mercedes GP - Inauguration and 1st season

[xpensive]

Its not the beating, its that taking part that counts X

Perhaps I failed to notice the philantropy within Daimler's entire business idea, just as much as I failed to notice the obviously
green initiative behind the introduction of the SLS?

Guess you can learn a whole heap of things from this forum, eh?

[Arunas]

Its not the beating, its that taking part that counts X

Perhaps I failed to notice the philantropy within Daimler's entire business idea, just as much as I failed to notice the obviously
green initiative behind the introduction of the SLS?

Guess you can learn a whole heap of things from this forum, eh?

Wait for page No 248, that will be some real news!

[marcush.]

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 22602.html

cooments from Ross Brawn about their performance in 2010 ..comparing to 2009

1.The W01 was an improvement over the BGP01 but ohter teams made bigger gains
over winter

2.they improved the car over the season by roughly one second per lap ,this was
also a slower development than possibly the top three outfits showed....
3.the usual improvement over the course of a season would be between 1 second and
1.5s so he admits that they were a bit perfoming suboptimum in terms of development ..but the car did not start with enough potential compared to RedBull,
Mercedes and Ferrari in his view.

interestingly he did not speak of fundamental flaws in this piece anymore...

[autogyro]

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/05/pa ... la-racing/

Seems Thst MPGP had time to build this which IMO is the future.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Belated merry xmas to all posters on F1Technical.

Marcush, the W01 was closer to the top 3 at the end of the year than it was at the start. The softer tyre is what killed the Merc. When higher grip levels where there, the cars flaws where plain for all to see.
Witness Schumacher and Rosberg wrestling understeer for the first half of the year.
Onboard footage showed us quite vividly that Mercedes problems where the fronts weren't biting.

The problem is two fold, correction on entry and on exit. This is where the time is lost. I will try find you the footasge of Valencia where it was most pronounced, but in relation to Renault and even Force India the cars flaw was almost visible from outside the car...let alone onboard.

The cars balance became better especially from after valenica. No surprise then that the car looked faster too.


We must also factor in a few things for 2011.
1 .Pirelli tyre
2. Mercedes power and KERS
3. no fduct
4. movable rear wing(possible room for development here)
5. Standardised weight distribution(excluding fluids and ballast)
6. possible mooted switch to pullrod suspension
7. Time to refine ideas seen on rival teams (like flexi wings etc)
8. DDD Ban

Being an optimist I see the most of these things in favour of Mercedes GP.
Apart from the DDD ban most things are accounted for.
Hiring the Michelin tyre guru will help, as will the aquisition of suspension engineer Iguchi.
We will see what Mercedes come up with for 2011 very soon(less than 6 weeks I think) and we will see wether the team have gone for evolution rather the revolution. With the banning of the DDD I see them incorporating even more Red Bull design elemants....but thats just me.

[segedunum]

Ok to put very simply, to save further unnecessary posts.

Had Red Bull, Mclaren or Ferrari gone through 2009 under the same circumstances as Brawn had managed ie less budget, less manpower and fighting a championship, do you seriously think they would have created the same car they had this year?

Speaking of unnecessary posts.............

Brawn never went through any of those things for the reasons outlined no matter how much you would like to justify the team's fall from grace with them. They were flush with cash, their technical people were all still there and Red Bull also fought at the sharp end for the championship. They took a car that was winning races and evolved. Brawn took a dominant car with a reasonable technical lead and went backwards.

Brawn and then Merc fell backwards because they're bloody useless, as they were when they were BAR and then Honda. Occam's razor.

[segedunum]

...just as much as I failed to notice the obviously green initiative behind the introduction of the SLS?

Not to mention the massive increase in tyre usage..........

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Brawn and then Merc fell backwards because they're bloody useless.

Yea yea, merry xmas to you too Mr bitter.

[segedunum]

Merry Christmas Mr. failing to see the bleeding obvious.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Merry Christmas Mr. failing to see the bleeding obvious.

What? that 4th is "bloody useless"?
Time for the medication seg, and please dont let your lack of festive spirit ruin the thread....AGAIN.

Its obvious to a blind man what your purpose on this thread is, and it aint a positive one either....

[Giblet]

Some see 4th as a failure compared to WC the year before. Others see it is a hiccup and they are the right path for next year.

Everyone else's verdict on their relative performance to themselves previously and others now : "Meh"

Meaning, the argument of their 1st season as Merc being a pass or fail, was neither, and trying to argue either way is dragging into the mud, and will get this thread closed again.

They fell back, but not so far that they can't come back next year.

4th is not useless by a long shot, and not every team can form a dynasty after one championship.

You guys are just arguing now, and neither have any valid points left worth contributing. I think your stances are now quite well known.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Actualy giblet, thats a tad unfair.

Not once have I said this year is a success for Mercedes, it hasnt been.
Its been a dissapointment, of that im certain. But certain people have the gall to call it a disaster for effect.

Im not 100% right on everything, but I think I sum up 90% of peoples feelings on this this particular thread when I say that segedunum is trolling here.

Its easy for some keyboard Rambo to spout nonsense, but could they do any better themselves? Of course not, hence why their opinion is of NO consequence or benefit to the thread. Particularly I may add when they dont even put forward an alternative to what is "wrong".

[Giblet]

Actualy giblet, thats a tad unfair.

Not once have I said this year is a success for Mercedes, it hasnt been.
Its been a dissapointment, of that im certain. But certain people have the gall to call it a disaster for effect.

Im not 100% right on everything, but I think I sum up 90% of peoples feelings on this this particular thread when I say that segedunum is trolling here.

Its easy for some keyboard Rambo to spout nonsense, but could they do any better themselves? Of course not, hence why their opinion is of NO consequence or benefit to the thread. Particularly I may add when they dont even put forward an alternative to what is "wrong".

For the record JET, I find your take on the subject to be quite ordinary and nothing to get guarded about. Nobody can judge a team after it't first full season under the full open Merc umbrella. Teams need time. Gelling can't happen overnight, with so little testing. Look at Force India and Red Bull. When announced they were considered jokes, everyone had a tear. Now they are both, at the very least, respected.

[Blackout]

This team is at least the same team in comparison with 2009, if not a stronger team with some of Merc's people... So I don't understand the ''we are new here and we need time to adapt''...

[xpensive]

Coming home fourth is really not much to write back to mom about, not if you entered the season as reigning WCC,
while the entire championship only held four and a half serious teams, come on, one of the kit-car teams were sixth!