Ferrari SF23

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codetower
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Here's a better shot of the mirror, courtesy of F1ingenerale:

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looks to be on Sainz' car only for comparison.

edit: wrong image posted

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2022 mid/high downforce wing spec also with single pylon. The 2-pylon spec must be there for spare parts then.

The track did speed up a lot with new configuration, so it's possible maximum downforce is no longer needed. Front left tyre will suffer the most and the track is not rear limited in this new configuration at all. So, you don't need as much rear loading now, making it possible to cut some rear downforce and drag.

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Also, as expected, no downwash sidepods. Nugnes strikes out again :lol: Front wing with the same load as Monaco, unsurprisingly.

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And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Do you think possible that they are configuring two cars with different setup and components?

Maybe one with the old RW/rear-suspensions/sidepods/floor/mirrors :mrgreen: and the other with the new ones for a more effective comparison.

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gordonthegun wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 14:35
Do you think possible that they are configuring two cars with different setup and components?

Maybe one with the old RW/rear-suspensions/sidepods/floor/mirrors :mrgreen: and the other with the new ones for a more effective comparison.
That would give excellent corellation/data analysis, along with the data set from last year (it was pretty rapid that weekend) to produce a lot of valid comparison for the team.
Benchmarked against RB performance data over two iteration as well. That would seem a cost effective exercise, given that they've a little more breathing space in the FP here vs Monaco too.

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gordonthegun wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 14:35
Do you think possible that they are configuring two cars with different setup and components?

Maybe one with the old RW/rear-suspensions/sidepods/floor/mirrors :mrgreen: and the other with the new ones for a more effective comparison.
For friday FP? Absolutely.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 14:12
2022 mid/high downforce wing spec also with single pylon. The 2-pylon spec must be there for spare parts then.

The track did speed up a lot with new configuration, so it's possible maximum downforce is no longer needed. Front left tyre will suffer the most and the track is not rear limited in this new configuration at all. So, you don't need as much rear loading now, making it possible to cut some rear downforce and drag.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxiPEAjXsAE ... ame=medium

Also, as expected, no downwash sidepods. Nugnes strikes out again :lol: Front wing with the same load as Monaco, unsurprisingly.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... _HiRes.jpg
Redbull Sidepods are coming according to formu1a.uno and they are reliable

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Venturiation wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 16:10
Redbull Sidepods are coming according to formu1a.uno and they are reliable
Autosport report the same

We'll probably have pictures of them before the end of the day

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organic wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 16:11
Venturiation wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 16:10
Redbull Sidepods are coming according to formu1a.uno and they are reliable
Autosport report the same

We'll probably have pictures of them before the end of the day
They will probably run 1 upgraded car and 1 old to compare

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... /10476762/

The english version of Motorsport also corroborating.

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The old version is still here.

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Can't be sure if those are the new pods, but there's some different fins here.
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Venturiation wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 16:13
They will probably run 1 upgraded car and 1 old to compare
If that’s the case, can’t be a huge change if the car can be reconfigured overnight.

Seems to me the sidepod cooling layout is similar so maybe just changes to the sidepod trailing edge and maybe undercut treatment.

Also, I understand doing A - B testing, but seems almost due to lack of confidence in their analytical tools than anything else. They seem to do this a lot and wastes an opportunity to get set-up learning across two cars. For comparison, Merc ran both cars in updated configuration last race with no back-to-back testing.

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Sevach wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 16:22
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... /10476762/

The english version of Motorsport also corroborating.

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ail-1.webp
The old version is still here.

https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ont-1.webp

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ont-1.webp

https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ver-1.webp
Can't be sure if that's the new pods, but there's some different fins here.
Yes, louvres area seems convex. Possibly leading to cannon-shaped exit?

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The fin right next to the roll hoop has some crazy geometry!

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I bet all that the waterslides are not disappearing, then most probably they will transform the shape more like AM/Mercedes. Impossible for FERRARI concept to get completely rid of it

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ing. wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 16:32
Venturiation wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 16:13
They will probably run 1 upgraded car and 1 old to compare
If that’s the case, can’t be a huge change if the car can be reconfigured overnight.

Seems to me the sidepod cooling layout is similar so maybe just changes to the sidepod trailing edge and maybe undercut treatment.

Also, I understand doing A - B testing, but seems almost due to lack of confidence in their analytical tools than anything else. They seem to do this a lot and wastes an opportunity to get set-up learning across two cars. For comparison, Merc ran both cars in updated configuration last race with no back-to-back testing.
They are saying redbull sidepods
New rear suspension and new floor
So almost a new car

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