Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

[strad]

I believe that originally they figured it took more to operate than it put out...something along those lines..The original with it's poppet valve and low compression was very inefficient...I don't think peddaling a bike is the same.

[timbo]

THAT@S different.

A fine example of vortex lift.
F1 designers know a thing or two about this

[timbo]

I believe that originally they figured it took more to operate than it put out...something along those lines..The original with it's poppet valve and low compression was very inefficient...I don't think peddaling a bike is the same.

ANY engine takes more to operate than it puts out. And there might be design problems, but not theoretical problems. Ask Otto.

[strad]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

[Dragonfly]

......
Now a bunble bee, THAT@S different.

Luckily the bumble bee does not know this and flies happily around

[aral]

I understand that Ferrari are not in agreement with the 1.6 turbo 4. They feel that the present 2.4 v8, can be reduced to 1.8 v6, at a far lower cost, and requiring less mods to the cars. This sounds quite sensible, but would then clash with FIA intention to use the same formula in WRC, WTCC and FIA GT.

[WhiteBlue]

I understand that Ferrari are not in agreement with the 1.6 turbo 4. They feel that the present 2.4 v8, can be reduced to 1.8 v6, at a far lower cost, and requiring less mods to the cars. This sounds quite sensible, but would then clash with FIA intention to use the same formula in WRC, WTCC and FIA GT.

I have taken a detailed look at Luca Marmorini's claims in the engine thread. I believe that the Ferrari points will not stand up to scrutiny and McLaren have said that they do not support Ferrari's claims.

[wesley123]

you can also easily convert the V8 into an 4 cylinder by cutting it in half, then you only need to increase its bore.

[747heavy]

that´s all fair and good and probably valid, but since when is McLaren producing F1 engines.
I guess, it´s easy to have an opinion on it, when you are not the one, who need
to built the engines.
As usual everyone is pushing his own agenda in F1.

[747heavy]

If F1 wants to be all about efficiency, they should go away from their minimum weight rule.

Power and engines are one side for gains in efficiency, weight is the other big factor, and the automotive industry is looking at it (aluminium/CF chassis vs. steel etc.) more and more.

So why not opening up the engineering challenge in this respect too, just focusing on engine efficiency is a bit narrow minded IMHO.
Taking it to the extreme, you could specify a max. weight allowed for the cars. (why still needing to meet all the crash tests, and safety standards), this would have some "real world" relevance, and F1 could use and showcase their expertise in this field.
Otherwise it becomes the battle of the engine manufacturers/OEM´s again.

[marcush.]

you can also easily convert the V8 into an 4 cylinder by cutting it in half, then you only need to increase its bore.

altering the bore is altering the bore spacing is altering the block length is altering the cylinderhead is altering the crankshaft is altering the block itself..how much carryover ? sparkplugs ,perhaps?
you are dreaming if you think a V8 would transform easily into a i4 ..yes it can be done see:
IHC I4 152ci ..

ed pink midget i4 engine (Nascar Head)



and as a Nigel Mansell memorial entry:


Triumph dolomite sprint 16 valve engine .. that he had to use in his march F3 sponsored by UNIPART..engineering GOLD..ther is also a Picko Troberg SAAB version available.. methinks..

[wesley123]

I wasnt serious at all, it waws just reacted at ferrari stating you could transform the V8 easily to an V6.

[strad]

Look up the "Iron Duke" and other Pontiac 4s
One was half of a Pontiac V-8 (421,if memory serves)and it worked great..had one in an AHRA X/D once.,,I thought that was the Iron Duke for some reason....but not according to Wiki

[marcush.]

Wesley ..no offenses there ..i was just having a laugh about it.. don´t worry about me .
To come back to it on a serious note,
If you cut the current engine in half you got only 1200cc ....so you need bigger bore so the whole idea of sving anything is already blown out of the window .period.
No question you can make a I4 quite easily from a V8 .But in all honesty that has no resemblance to F1 .Look up the ED pink I4 with Nascar Head... even them do the whole shebang completely new almost nil caryover there ...It´s just not feasible from wher F1 engines are currently.to cut off 2 cylinders would be a lot easier -geometrically it would be a 1.8l ´..but no matter how you do it its a completely new engine.

[aral]

Wesley ..no offenses there ..i was just having a laugh about it.. don´t worry about me .
To come back to it on a serious note,
If you cut the current engine in half you got only 1200cc ....so you need bigger bore so the whole idea of sving anything is already blown out of the window .period.
No question you can make a I4 quite easily from a V8 .But in all honesty that has no resemblance to F1 .Look up the ED pink I4 with Nascar Head... even them do the whole shebang completely new almost nil caryover there ...It´s just not feasible from wher F1 engines are currently.to cut off 2 cylinders would be a lot easier -geometrically it would be a 1.8l ´..but no matter how you do it its a completely new engine.

I like your inclusion of the Triumph engine. But not many will know that this was half of the V8 used in the Stag.

And as for the V6, cutting two cylinders off the existing engine, would be no more difficult that it was to cut off two cylinders off the V10, to make the current V8