Ferrari 150° Italia

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O so I was a bit misled by the camera car being webber on a not perfect dry track. So it's 50% on throttle and 50% off in that corner sequence?
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shelly wrote:O so I was a bit misled by the camera car being webber on a not perfect dry track. So it's 50% on throttle and 50% off in that corner sequence?
That sequence of corners depends on the car. You more grip you have the longer you can stay on the throttle before lifting. Maggots is flat with a tiny lift for turn 11 then on to Becketts which is partly off throttle and on to turn 13 which requires the biggest lift of the series and then flat through Chapel again on to the Hangar Straight.

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What a great feeling, winning again! And I’m revelling in it all the more now I’m back home in Oviedo. When a Grand Prix is over, there is a rush of emotion, but then there are so many things to do, what with press conferences and the debrief, so you have to stay very focussed. But the following morning, you wake up happy and there’s a truly special feeling that goes with it. And I have to say I’m still feeling that way now!

I haven’t spent too much time thinking about the technical reasons behind the win in the British Grand Prix. Each race has its own story and we know only too well how much things can change when you go from one track to another. There were definitely some major improvements on the car, which mean it feels much easier to drive now and you can feel it much more stuck to the ground than before, especially in the fast corners. That means it’s got more aerodynamic downforce, which was the area where we trailed our main rivals the most. However, I don’t think the changes to the engine mapping were a factor: we were quicker specifically at the part of the track where you practically don’t have to brake, which means it is the actual car that is going well.

This win won’t change our approach to the coming races. We have to be realistic, because we are 92 points behind in the classification and that is a very big gap! We will tackle the races one at a time, trying to win as many as possible. This will also involve taking a few more risks and maybe it will happen that we pay a high price for that, but there is no alternative. We are definitely not giving up, but we must not think about the championship: as Montezemolo said yesterday in Maranello, we are keeping our feet on the ground.

On Sunday morning, I had great fun doing a couple of laps in the 375 F1 which brought Ferrari its first championship Grand Prix win back in 1951. I had already driven a very similar car, the 375 Indy, in Valencia at the Ferrari Days event. It definitely takes a bit of getting used to with a very different pedal arrangement, with the accelerator on the left and the brake on the right. The engine power to tyre grip ratio is the complete opposite of the cars we drive today. You need to change your driving style to go quickly, but it was a wonderful experience. Sure, back then, not only did the drivers need to be incredibly talented, but they also needed a good dose of craziness!

There was a special atmosphere at Silverstone on Sunday. The crowd is always very big there and they are all very involved in the event. For us it felt different and I can’t explain why: maybe it was because we wanted to do well on this important anniversary in our history. Ever since I have been with Ferrari, there have often been unusual coincidences between my wins and special moments. For example, on my debut in red in Bahrain last year, or the first time I raced for the Scuderia at Monza. Now this win has come, sixty years after Gonzalez took the victory. I hope there will be many more moments like this!

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Image

what's going on under the checkered part?

notice as well the nozzle tip to increase the flow speed.
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ringo wrote:what's going on under the checkered part?
A floor?=)
Maybe they made advantage of their slightly raised gearbox, and there's a free flow below gearbox to the starter hole — what RBR uses ducts for.

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Robbobnob wrote:Image
Do we have some box picture that show if this exhaust detail has been used by ferrari in silverstone also? I has been briefly discussed in the thread before; I think its contribution to ferrari leap in performace could be quite significant.

Looks remarkably similar to this "air amplifier" http://nexflowair.com/adjustable_air_amplifier.php
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dren
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Sort of looks similar, but the air amplifier needs compressed air to feed around in and around the circumference. It's sort of like a reverse of those Dyson no-fan air movers.

This is how they work:

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I don't think the same thing is going on with the exhaust. It looks more like some expansion chamber or flex joint.
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Richard
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That's what the teams use for driver cooling fans (like the dyson fan), but it uses compressed air injected around the edge of an annular ring.

http://nexflowair.com/fixed_air_amplifi ... y_work.php

It might be an aspirator where the jet (ie exhasut) flows down the middle sucking extra air in with it. Forward to roughly 5:00 below
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SbnPu89 ... re=related[/youtube]

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dren
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Haha we must have posted close together, I said the same thing.

Ahh, so it's increased mass air flow.
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hardingfv32
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I thought it was agreed earlier that it is an aspirator.

Could increase the amount of flow to the diffuser or is it providing more oxygen for additional combustion in the collector?

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hardingfv32 wrote:I thought it was agreed earlier that it is an aspirator.

Could increase the amount of flow to the diffuser or is it providing more oxygen for additional combustion in the collector?

Brian
I thought so too, but on this site consensus only last until a new page of the thread
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The question was if the "thing" thought to be an aspirator was used at Silverstone. Anyone know if it was?

The air-amplifier was an interesting diversion that had not been mentioned before.

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ringo
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It's basically an air extractor. should improve cooling and reduce internal drag.
Mass flow also increased to the exhaust.
I think other teams need to copy this.
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ringo wrote:It's basically an air extractor. should improve cooling and reduce internal drag.
Mass flow also increased to the exhaust.
I think other teams need to copy this.

I wonder how it affects engine power? Will the waves resonate from the extractor or from the exhaust exit?
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ringo wrote:I think other teams need to copy this.
Definitely not the first time a team has run this type of device.

Ferrari seem to be doing a good job of copying everybody elses solutions. It seems to be working though.