Ferrari F2012

[Hush]

Indeed, but I don't know about the viability of putting a battery directly below an engine operating at 18,000 RPM. But, perhaps it could be done. I just don't know.

That is why I say use two batteries either side of the plank. I might even be tempted to say shift the weight a bit rearward in order to increase traction somewhat.

[bhall]

That's pretty much what I had in mind, but I still think the weight shift is a bit of a compromise. It could, however, prove worthwhile if it reduced the need for cooling capacity from the sidepods or elsewhere. I think thin batteries would get all the cooling they need simply from the airflow above and under them.

Frankly, I only thought of this possibility when I was looking around for ways to use the floor as a heatsink for the engine. Despite the KERS battery idea capturing people's attention, I still think the heatsink is a better idea that would have much more impact on performance.

[hardingfv32]

the floor as a heatsink for the engine. Despite the KERS battery idea capturing people's attention, I still think the heatsink is a better idea that would have much more impact on performance.

So this is about cooling. My comments are in fact on point.

And how do you get the heat through a plank that has know heat insulation properties?

You are aware the blank extends under the engine?

Brian

[Hail22]

So if possible Bhall reckon you have some free time to devise a mock up floor with the possible Battery theory, also heard that Formula 1 teams will employ some form of Chemical battery for 2014 and beyond, could it be enstated in this technological form of the rules and technical regulations?

[bhall]

So this is about cooling. My comments are in fact on point.

And how do you get the heat through a plank that has know heat insulation properties?

You are aware the blank extends under the engine?

And I trust you're aware that the plank isn't affixed to the entirety of the floor.

Man, what is it with you?

[joempower]

Battery as the floor is a great idea it would put the weight low and spread out. Let's not forget you are getting rid of the heavy battery that was there before that was it one spot and now it's distrubuted evenly. Now they are also able to ballast weight to where they want it on the car remember how important it was for redbull to use ballast they barely had a kers. If this is the case the weight placement benefits are huge aside from the cooling benefits.

[Hail22]

So this is about cooling. My comments are in fact on point.

And how do you get the heat through a plank that has know heat insulation properties?

You are aware the blank extends under the engine?

And I trust you're aware that the plank isn't affixed to the entirety of the floor.

Man, what is it with you?

Agreed. (right click to englarge).



This is the F150, its not impossible at all to fit a cell around carbon, etc floor.

[hardingfv32]

And I trust you're aware that the plank isn't affixed to the entirety of the floor.

3.13.1 h) Be fixed symmetrically about the car centre line in such a way that no air may pass
between it and the surface formed by the parts lying on the reference plane.

Brian

[bhall]

What in the world are you talking about, Brian?

Look at the picture on this page. See all that black sh_t on the bottom of the Ferrari? That's a carbon fiber floor. Well, instead of being made from carbon fiber, I suggest that it be made from a silicon carbide lithium ion matrix that would act as the KERS battery, which could feasibly be cooled more efficiently than batteries placed more conventionally under the fuel tank. Bolt a f'n plank to the damn thing as if it actually is carbon fiber, and you're good to go.

This is obviously a pie-in-the-sky idea, but that does nothing to change its validity.

[Chuckjr]

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This is the F150, its not impossible at all to fit a cell around carbon, etc floor.[/quote]


Great shot. Wow.

Would it be legal to split up the batteries into cell pack modules and have multiple module locations located on/in/under the floor on either side of the plank (or even under the plank?) to be able to not only exchange blown cells on the fly, but on Friday be able to relocate them to other modular locations in the floor to help balance the car on a per track basis.

I also think the heat sink idea for the floor would be brilliant. That sounds like something a chemical engineer would figure out.

[hardingfv32]

1) The most common location for the batteries is under the fuel cell. I would say that they have to remove the engine to access the battery unit. Based on such a installation I think we can assume the batteries do not fail often.

2) Moving the batteries a round would require extra weight and space for power cables.

3) the weight distribution is fixed to a very narrow range per the rules.

Brian

[Mr.G]

Regarding point 2 you can use metal stripes insetead of one huge circular cable.

BTW is any of the teams use supercapacitors instead of batteries? What the benefits of batteries if you need to charge / dischage the batter in 1m30s cycles?

[f1316]

This article has appeared in the Gazzetta dello Sport, revisiting the idea of the gas chamber exhaust that Ferrari tried out last year:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2816idx.png

I have very limited Italian, so I'd appreciate it if someone could give me/us the gist of the article.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Cooling gills are new



from above

[Pierce89]

This article has appeared in the Gazzetta dello Sport, revisiting the idea of the gas chamber exhaust that Ferrari tried out last year:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2816idx.png

I have very limited Italian, so I'd appreciate it if someone could give me/us the gist of the article.

don't know Italiano but in Race Engine Technology(awesome magazine) they stated it's simply for regainging HP lost to the extra long tailpipes of the EBD