Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

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Zytek Automotive has been developing the KERS electric motor and power electronics in close technical partnership with Mercedes-Benz HighPerformanceEngines.
But it is classified as Mercedes design and intellectual property as it's Mercedes money.
More could have been done.
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makes sense
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Ah! That clears that up. Cheers JET.

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this is one of the many articles regarding the topic.
JET has it spot on - IMHO

http://www.automobilesreview.com/auto-n ... tem/16961/
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Zytek Automotive has been developing the KERS electric motor and power electronics in close technical partnership with Mercedes-Benz HighPerformanceEngines.
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Not surprising when M-HPE was run by my compatriot and former student, Ola Källenius, guess he learned a thing or two.

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Since MHPE is the only thing of value to Mercedes in Formula 1 that's no great surprise.

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"Make the suspension adjustable and they will adjust it wrong ......
look what they can do to a carburetor in just a few moments of stupidity with a screwdriver."
- Colin Chapman

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Thanks for this!
a. A prescribed downforce-generating under-tray and skid ‘plank’ extending to the very
rear of the car. This will have a forward centre of pressure to minimise the size of
the front wing. This component will generate the majority of aerodynamic downforce.
These parts will be supplied by the FIA along with fixing mechanisms which must be
rigidly incorporated into the main chassis and power-train components.
b. Front and rear wings being constrained to fit within defined ‘boxes’ and consist of a
fixed number of elements. The purpose of this is to constrain the designer from
producing overly complex assemblies. The rear wing will be the main mechanism by
which adaptive drag is achieved, while the relatively small (compared to today) front
wing serves as a trim to achieve balance. The front wing ‘box’ will be close to the
ground to minimise the affect of wake turbulence.
c. Front and rear wing settings maybe electronically controlled, but within set limits
defined from time to time by the FIA. This is to allow much reduced drag along the
straights to improve fuel efficiency and yet retain the downforce required around
corners, under braking and under acceleration so as to retain overall lap times. Failsafe
design, as used on aircraft, will be mandated.
Discussion Point: The FIA have considered supply of front and rear wings on the same basis
as the under-tray, i.e. fully prescribed and FIA supplied. However, while this will produce
further cost saving, it is thought that a variety in design solutions of...
Almost too good to be true... if not for the prescribed wings, which I don't think are a good idea (neither seem them to).

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I heard that Pat Symonds said to F1 racing that DDD is still legal for 2011 :shock:
anyone has more infos ?

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it actually is still legal per rules, but the FOTA made an agreement not to run it.

BTW, how old is the .pdf posted? Max Mosley is still president there, Toyota and BMW are also still on it

EDIT: That file is complete and utter rubbish, it is an file out of 2007 and back then the 2009 rules werent even written.
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It may have been written a while back but the proposals in it are great. I hope someone at the Fia dusts it off and applies them for the next set of chassis regs.
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Now i am really confused. Are you allowed to run an DDD next year? In that case, couod somebody please explain me how those holes in the floor are allowed that feeds them, I still have an hard time understanding it
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The rules say DDD is still legal. However, the FOTA(Formula One Teams Association) members agreed not to use it. Similar to what happened with kers, or F-duct(this last one not sure).
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Hmm okay, I was thinking the same but Blackout confused me lol.
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Caito wrote:The rules say DDD is still legal. However, the FOTA(Formula One Teams Association) members agreed not to use it. Similar to what happened with kers, or F-duct(this last one not sure).
This is pure speculation. The 2011 tech regulations have not been rubber stamped by the WMSC yet. This is why they are not published. But they will be published in due course and the rules will reflect the decisions taken in the working groups by the teams in my humble opinion. There is no reason to deviate from the standard procedure.
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