Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

[banibhusan]

It's really nice to see Mercedes has come so close to solving tyre issues. I could hardly believe they could hold up to the RBs and Vettel. Rosberg never allowed Vettel to run away like he always does.

The most upfront and blatant piece of cheating in the history of the sport. Makes everyone look like a right joke.

Indeed. But many of the successful teams in the history of the sport has done it in the past. They took the calculated risk and got out of it with many benefits than drawbacks. So, IMO, fortune did in fact favour the brave!!

[xpensive]

It's really nice to see Mercedes has come so close to solving tyre issues. I could hardly believe they could hold up to the RBs and Vettel. Rosberg never allowed Vettel to run away like he always does.

The most upfront and blatant piece of cheating in the history of the sport. Makes everyone look like a right joke.

Indeed. But many of the successful teams in the history of the sport has done it in the past. They took the calculated risk and got out of it with many benefits than drawbacks. So, IMO, fortune did in fact favour the brave!!

It had absolutely nothing to do with that, MrE simply had to keep the three-pointed star in F1, god forbid anything else, and CW was happy to comply with his wishes and orchestrated this outrageous scam. But what are old employees for anyway?

[diego1960]

There might be some truth in that. If Merc left, engines and all, F1 would only have Ferrari, Renault and Honda as constructors? Surely it would be bad for their image, that they lost so many companies in a few years?

Anyway, I'm still not sure if the Merc pace is genuine. And if they can keep development pace after the summer holidays. I'm still not sure if I should be happy too. Ross seems to have started to use his old "tricks" with political games and cheating to help this team take the final step in order to become a true competitor.

Surely X, you must recognize his value in some aspects?

[Racer X]

Amazing day today'!

Rosberg wins it!
Hamilton from Pole to last, and from last to 4th'!


What a driver ,what a race ,what a team, good job Mercedez'!

[FoxHound]

Mercedes, Pirelli, FIA, and the tribunal found no cheating. [...]

[xpensive]

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Surely X, you must recognize his value in some aspects?

But of course, a man that makes it from milling-machine operator in Bicester to the top of F1 in less than 15 years must have something going for him, even if it happens to be more "know who" than "know how".

Something which seems to have served him in good steed lately.

[myurr]

It's really nice to see Mercedes has come so close to solving tyre issues. I could hardly believe they could hold up to the RBs and Vettel. Rosberg never allowed Vettel to run away like he always does.

The most upfront and blatant piece of cheating in the history of the sport. Makes everyone look like a right joke.

Indeed. But many of the successful teams in the history of the sport has done it in the past. They took the calculated risk and got out of it with many benefits than drawbacks. So, IMO, fortune did in fact favour the brave!!

It had absolutely nothing to do with that, MrE simply had to keep the three-pointed star in F1, god forbid anything else, and CW was happy to comply with his wishes and orchestrated this outrageous scam. But what are old employees for anyway?

So much bollox is being written about this. Yeah Merc sailed close to the wind, but the tribunal said they'd acted in good faith. They asked for permission and got it from Charlie Whiting who even checked with the FIA lawyers. Todt then rode in and retroactively changed the FIA's official stance on everything.

And what of Ferrari? They've tested at least once already with a 2011 chassis but 2013 mechanical components and aero package. How is that so much more legal than Mercedes test? Why no fan outpouring against Ferrari or criticism of the fact that they're going to be running yet another test of that nature in another couple of weeks. Why is the FIA officially sanctioning Ferrari's actions despite it being against the rules to run a 2 year old car if it conforms significantly with the current rules. I'd say running the 2013 front and rear wings would conform significantly with the current rules. Yet the FIA sits idly by whilst condemning the Merc test that Charlie Whiting sanctioned and that Pirelli were legally entitled to run.

[Goran2812]

And what of Ferrari? They've tested at least once already with a 2011 chassis but 2013 mechanical components and aero package. How is that so much more legal than Mercedes test? Why no fan outpouring against Ferrari or criticism of the fact that they're going to be running yet another test of that nature in another couple of weeks. Why is the FIA officially sanctioning Ferrari's actions despite it being against the rules to run a 2 year old car if it conforms significantly with the current rules. I'd say running the 2013 front and rear wings would conform significantly with the current rules. Yet the FIA sits idly by whilst condemning the Merc test that Charlie Whiting sanctioned and that Pirelli were legally entitled to run.

could you possibly share links with the info on ferrari tests? regarding front and rear wings and 2013 mechanical components on the pirelli test? can't find it, or just don't know where to look... tnx

[kooleracer]

Red Bull and Ferrari are lobbying for a full test instead of the young drivers test. I wonder if Ross can't talk Mercedes back in the test. If someone can do it its Ross.

[myurr]

And what of Ferrari? They've tested at least once already with a 2011 chassis but 2013 mechanical components and aero package. How is that so much more legal than Mercedes test? Why no fan outpouring against Ferrari or criticism of the fact that they're going to be running yet another test of that nature in another couple of weeks. Why is the FIA officially sanctioning Ferrari's actions despite it being against the rules to run a 2 year old car if it conforms significantly with the current rules. I'd say running the 2013 front and rear wings would conform significantly with the current rules. Yet the FIA sits idly by whilst condemning the Merc test that Charlie Whiting sanctioned and that Pirelli were legally entitled to run.

could you possibly share links with the info on ferrari tests? regarding front and rear wings and 2013 mechanical components on the pirelli test? can't find it, or just don't know where to look... tnx

I've not seen it reported in the press but Christian Horner said it directly on Sky earlier and it was referenced a couple more times throughout the show. Horner has asked the FIA for clarification as to whether / why this testing by Ferrari is legal as he wants to do the same but that's all he knew at this stage.

[Goran2812]

And what of Ferrari? They've tested at least once already with a 2011 chassis but 2013 mechanical components and aero package. How is that so much more legal than Mercedes test? Why no fan outpouring against Ferrari or criticism of the fact that they're going to be running yet another test of that nature in another couple of weeks. Why is the FIA officially sanctioning Ferrari's actions despite it being against the rules to run a 2 year old car if it conforms significantly with the current rules. I'd say running the 2013 front and rear wings would conform significantly with the current rules. Yet the FIA sits idly by whilst condemning the Merc test that Charlie Whiting sanctioned and that Pirelli were legally entitled to run.

could you possibly share links with the info on ferrari tests? regarding front and rear wings and 2013 mechanical components on the pirelli test? can't find it, or just don't know where to look... tnx

I've not seen it reported in the press but Christian Horner said it directly on Sky earlier and it was referenced a couple more times throughout the show. Horner has asked the FIA for clarification as to whether / why this testing by Ferrari is legal as he wants to do the same but that's all he knew at this stage.

basically it's speculation from camp red bull... tnx

[myurr]

basically it's speculation from camp red bull... tnx

Quite possibly. But my understanding is that Ferrari haven't denied it and the FIA are refusing to comment. If it were untrue I would have expected a Ferrari denial, wouldn't you?

Don't forget the FIA has no presence at all at these tests. They are self policed by the attending team.

[Cocles]

I remember when the Merc team threads were jam packed with trolls and Merc haters saying this team was a joke and the epitome corporate ineptitude in F1. Now they cry in their beer and scream cheating, while the team currently holds second place in the constructors' championship.

Face it, for the naysayers, this team will never be able to do right by them.

For the many of us who have stuck with this steam, it was a great day. It seems many chefs can sometimes create a tasty broth.

Great job Stuttgard, great job Brixworth, great job Brackley.

[bhall]

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Great job Stuttgard, great job Brixworth, great job Brackley.

Hold your head high.

[OppositeLock]

=D> Great job by Mercedes AMG Petronas F1. They have definitely proven the doubters wrong. They have solidified their place amongst the 'big three'. It's been a joy to follow this team since the BAR Supertec days. =D>