2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Farnborough]

Ferrari ran front pullrod for many years. I do not think they made a simple mistake as McLaren did in the past.
We can wait to hear what Vasseur says if asked about Melbourne's setup. I dont think there's any strong evidence yet for the rideheight issue.

I rewatched the onboards for Melbourne. SF25 has a weak front end in the wet. Understeer and no sharpness. It snaps coming out the corners seemingly from the PU mapping. The Mclarens and Mercedes had better low speed drivability. Be it the rear grip or PU, but Ferrari was very chattery and just seemed off the boil coming out the corners. So maybe the team need to look into the engine and throttle maps. Mercedes sound like it charged up and ready to pounce and very smoothe.
As for the drivers and engineers. Lewis and Adami dont seem as conflicting as the media makes things sound when you listen to all their communication. I think they can have harmony.
Lewis seems to concentrate quietly on the job and uses visual cues of the other cars more than verbal info on them. Adami and Lewis need very minor adjustments to each other to click. Adami's Italian accent and Lewis stuffy nasal voice isnt a problem.
What was interesting is that Adami may have been responsible for Lewis losing the spot to Piastri. He threw him off by counting down the gap; something Sainz always asks for. Instead Lewis said he can see Piastri and doesnt need to hear the gap. That threw him and lost a few tenths.
The overtake by Charles on Lewis was Lewis error. He went to cool the tyres on the straight and opened up the outside with the dry line to Charles.
All in all i think both did their best. No driving errors really and they kept it clean.
The car was the limitation with its poor front grip and poor drivability. The drier the track got the more it improved but not enough.
The pit stop error was a major blunder also. They had 2 chances to pit and blew it.
Setup and PU mapping can improve the car. The team can also review the race management and still be in this championship fight.

Agree overall. LH even said "please" in his request to be left alone at some points. Takes time to get into such a responsive repertoire as he had at MB with B. I dont think it's unusual.

Both drivers seemed, via their driving, to be not exposing the car to ultimately "barrier" interface risk. Both spinning benignly at low risk part of track to let it go round without damage. That speaks for their overall feeling and grip as it was set for that race. Ferrari PU seems to have abundance of low torque delivery "spike" that's apparent over the years. Good to play with in high grip scenario, with ability to properly insert some steering attitude in the car trajectory, thinking more Monaco in the dry here, but needing a "crystal" throttle pedal application during that race last weekend. They both looked to be walking a high wire in that one.

Strategy, seemed to be considering a hero stay out call, with projection of possibly a win as others faltered with tyre choice, that rather than a safe-ish jump onto inters. Ultimately to achieve a later in top ten finish in comparison to a potential 4/5 finish that could be had.

The overall points they took reflect that Strategy call really. For whatever reason, not as latently as fast as the front runners in race pace, but added to their lower performance with that risky pit call.

Hopefully we'll see a more competitive and complete performance at this one. And one that shows more of where this car is in reality.

[.Bole]

So according to Gunter, Fred and Ferrari are disappointed with development of sf 25 during winter
No ---, classic story with ferrari for 18years

[Farnborough]

So according to Gunter, Fred and Ferrari are disappointed with development of sf 25 during winter
No ---, classic story with ferrari for 18years

And exactly why you can never, ever take seriously the journalism in output as the new car touches the track in first shakedown runs

Every single year those stories of at least a second gain come flooding out, while ignoring that every other tech team is working their ass off too, to make the projections absolutely meaningless.

Then it brings to prominent view all those that are "bleeding out" in commentary of how bad it is.

Hopefully we'll now get a more considered and realistic view, able to get on with the season, wherever the level.

It may not be fastest, but does look like intelligent development of concept.

These rules, with virtually minimal testing are formatted to really punish lack of depth understanding. I dont feel they have that (no understanding) in this team, but hell, do casual commentary go nuclear on any direction they observe in their own ignorance.

[catent]

So according to Gunter, Fred and Ferrari are disappointed with development of sf 25 during winter
No ---, classic story with ferrari for 18years

Where did you read Gunter say this? Did a little digging and couldn't find anything.

[Emag]

So according to Gunter, Fred and Ferrari are disappointed with development of sf 25 during winter
No ---, classic story with ferrari for 18years

Where did you read Gunter say this? Did a little digging and couldn't find anything.

Günther Steiner: "I spoke to Fred Vasseur. He's a little disappointed with the development during the winter. He also thought they were closer."

[SoulPancake13]

In case anyone wanted to read the article that this one quotes from f1 insider, I've added the link
https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-lewis-h ... elt-65843/

To summarize, Gunther spoke with Vasseur and found out that he was disappointed with the winter development. The rest of the article is about Lewis being slower than Charles.

[mkay]

Aside from the pull-rod front, and with the usual caveats around floor developments which we can't see, there's nothing really eyecatching about the car. For instance, the sidepods and undercut are quite conservative compared to McLaren, RB and Mercedes.

[Downforce777]

Aside from the pull-rod front, and with the usual caveats around floor developments which we can't see, there's nothing really eyecatching about the car. For instance, the sidepods and undercut are quite conservative compared to McLaren, RB and Mercedes.

listen, well, it sounds stupid, here people simply wrote off Ferrari and the worst team, etc., because of one bad weekend, there is nothing special about it, sometimes nothing should catch the eye, literally that year, after the first Grand Prix, everyone immediately gave everything to Red Bull, but as the season progressed, we know what happened

[Xyz22]

Aside from the pull-rod front, and with the usual caveats around floor developments which we can't see, there's nothing really eyecatching about the car. For instance, the sidepods and undercut are quite conservative compared to McLaren, RB and Mercedes.

listen, well, it sounds stupid, here people simply wrote off Ferrari and the worst team, etc., because of one bad weekend, there is nothing special about it, sometimes nothing should catch the eye, literally that year, after the first Grand Prix, everyone immediately gave everything to Red Bull, but as the season progressed, we know what happened

Ferrari won't fight for the championship this year unless there is a massive clownshow like last year with RB that lost around 1s of performance from Miami.
The car is better than what we saw in Melbourne but is nowhere near McLaren who has made probably a RB19/W11 like car.

Ferrari last dominant car was the F2008. Unfortunately, it was driven by the absolute frauds Massa and Raikkonen. If Michael drove it he would have won pretty much all races.

[Jdn1327]

Aside from the pull-rod front, and with the usual caveats around floor developments which we can't see, there's nothing really eyecatching about the car. For instance, the sidepods and undercut are quite conservative compared to McLaren, RB and Mercedes.

listen, well, it sounds stupid, here people simply wrote off Ferrari and the worst team, etc., because of one bad weekend, there is nothing special about it, sometimes nothing should catch the eye, literally that year, after the first Grand Prix, everyone immediately gave everything to Red Bull, but as the season progressed, we know what happened

Ferrari won't fight for the championship this year unless there is a massive clownshow like last year with RB that lost around 1s of performance from Miami.
The car is better than what we saw in Melbourne but is nowhere near McLaren who has made probably a RB19/W11 like car.

Ferrari last dominant car was the F2008. Unfortunately, it was driven by the absolute frauds Massa and Raikkonen. If Michael drove it he would have won pretty much all races.

Well two things pop out at me with their performance in Australia. 1, this track is generally an outlier for teams...I know a good car should be quick at all circuits. Melbourne doesn't share its own characteristics with any other circuit. 2, Ferrari really messed up the setup from fp2 to fp3...both drivers looked very comfortable up until fp3...still a lot to come from this car. China will be interesting.

[Downforce777]

Aside from the pull-rod front, and with the usual caveats around floor developments which we can't see, there's nothing really eyecatching about the car. For instance, the sidepods and undercut are quite conservative compared to McLaren, RB and Mercedes.

listen, well, it sounds stupid, here people simply wrote off Ferrari and the worst team, etc., because of one bad weekend, there is nothing special about it, sometimes nothing should catch the eye, literally that year, after the first Grand Prix, everyone immediately gave everything to Red Bull, but as the season progressed, we know what happened

Ferrari won't fight for the championship this year unless there is a massive clownshow like last year with RB that lost around 1s of performance from Miami.
The car is better than what we saw in Melbourne but is nowhere near McLaren who has made probably a RB19/W11 like car.

Ferrari last dominant car was the F2008. Unfortunately, it was driven by the absolute frauds Massa and Raikkonen. If Michael drove it he would have won pretty much all races.

The MCL39 is no match for the W11 in my opinion, only one race and plus in the rain, I don't know how fast the Ferraris really are but I'm sure the McLaren doesn't have a huge advantage, yes there are a couple of tenths but it's clearly not a W11

[Xyz22]

Uhm guys, did you check the laptimes in the race?

[Tvetovnato]

Still baffled by how much is being read into literally ONE outlier race, where Ferrari have a new car concept they race for the first time, with rain causing chaos. Calm. Down. Folks.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Interview with Leclerc from today:

The goal is basically not to be faster on Friday than on Saturday. Of course, we have some ideas on how we can achieve that. I won’t go into details, but these cars remain very, very sensitive, and the slightest change you make to the car's platform can have a huge impact on its feel and performance. I don’t we’ll have the exact same limitations in the future, but it was one in Melbourne, and we need to better anticipate the issues we'll face on each track.

The weekend was simply disappointing. I think part of it comes down to how we set up the car. I still believe the car's potential is much better than what we saw. Whether it’s at the level of McLaren, I don’t think so. I think we are a step back, but we are definitely not as fast as what we’ve shown during this first weekend. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done on our side in order to extract the maximum potential of the car every time we are on track.

There’s been a lot of analysis after this first race, there’s been a lot learned and I’m sure that will bounce back this weekend. It’s difficult and we need to be careful about drawing conclusions too early. We need to wait more races to see the entire trend.

[On whether the MCL39 is on the level of the RB19] I don’t think so. Of what we see, we don’t think so. But they are definitely ahead. I think in qualifying the gap that there was in Melbourne is more or less what there actually is. We are around Mercedes and Red Bull in terms of times if we put everything together.

[On the advantage McLaren have] Honestly, it’s never really one thing. If we look at qualifying in Melbourne, they were very, very strong compared to us in the last sector, which could be about tyres. But then if you look at the race, it’s completely different and it’s just overall performance where we were just lacking speed, whether it’s low or high speed or degradation. It was basically everything. I personally know and I think we know where we need to push in terms of performance for this car. The high speed, we did a big step forward. Low and medium speed seems to be the area where we need to work on for now.

According to Nugnes (so take with a grain of salt), Ferrari already has ideas on how to upgrade the car, but they're waiting to confirm certain behaviors in China before finishing up.

[jambuka]

Ferrari need to unleash the full potential of SF-25 in China. Beast mode ON. Hopefully the FIA TD takes care of mini DRS and flexi wings that Mclaren employs.