Schumacher Retires (again)

[Raptor22]

there is no reasoning with a rabid dog

Just remember that no driver with multiple championships other than MSC, was ever excluded from a world championship per his attempt to run Jacques Villeneuve off the track at Jerez in '97.

You don't have to agree with me Raptor, and that's fine.

Calling me a rabid dog because you don't agree is pathetic.

what's to agree with. It happened, he apologised, he was punished, move on. Instead of poisoning your system with hatred just let it go, let it go...........let.........it...........go.

I was wondering anyway, Should Alain Prost and Aayrton Senna also have been excluded from a championship each since they deliberately took each other out to win the WDC in consecutive years? Spectacular the 1990 incident was.
Should Fangio be excluded for commandeering Farina's car? Or was it Moss..
Should Villebneuve be excluded for being a talentless spoilt brat......oh wait, karma took care of that.

Those are all just moments in time and they don't define careers or character.....except maybe to people like you.

[mep]

Mind you Sauber would need just one race to thorrowly beat MGP and Michael driving to really hurt MGPs reputation.But i may see things there .

No, you don’t see things there. I also believe that Schumacher would do much better with Sauber. Just look at the result of Japan qualy. P4 and P6 on such a aerodynamically demanding track is quite impressive.
I think it is just up to Schumacher. If he wants to drive for Sauber it should be easy for him to get a seat there. I think he announced his retirement to early. He could have waited with that until the end of the season and see how things look like then.

to be more precise :would it be possible Mercedes is offering Powertrains to sauber at special conditions IF schumacher does not join?

Does NOT Join!!
No, that makes no sense at all.
In that case there would be no connection between the teams. Also it is too obvious that Mercedes tries to prevent Schumacher from going there and essentially destroys his career. It’s easier to offer Schumacher some ambassador role.

Why should Sauber even want to have Mercedes engines? Mercedes should come down from their high horse. Not everybody wants to work for them or buy their overpriced stuff.

Who said that their engines even will be good? If you think back in time, you will notice that their engines used to blew up when there was engine freeze and no rpm restrictions. I see many engine failures coming back 2014.

It is more likely that Ferrari extends their collaboration with Sauber, taking into account that they struggle with their aero development. The Ferrari engines are of good quality and very reliable. Would be stupid to exchange Ferrari engines for Mercedes ones.

[Macxtor]

You are talking rubbish here! Cheating, Senna, bla, bla, Back to the subject.

I think the "frosty" relationship between Mercedes and Michael will end up in some big headlines in the near future. I think Michael did this statement to stop the speculations and show that he dont need this. He loves F1 and wants to win, not just drive around. It´s right now impossible with the w03. Not technical progress at all during this season. The coanda system will take time to develop and when the system will work top teams have developed something else.

Mercedes only hope now is Hamilton and to come up with something half-illegal, ultra inside diffuser, invisible flexi systems.. Teoretically the w04 will be a little bit faster and more reliable than w03 and they will maybe be third i the constructor championship 2013.

But there is a bigger problem for Mercedes...... They Fuc..e.d Michael up and his fans all over the world. This was a BIG Media/Pr mistake and will cost them more even if they win some races.

[Richard]

Isn't there an expression in F1 that you know which cars to accuse of cheating because they are the ones that are in front you?

The alternative is that the cars in front must be cheating because you are cheating, therefore they must be cheating even outrageously to beat you?

Or there's that definition that a car is only illegal if it fails scrutineering.

The point is that all car designers attempt to take the rules to the limit to gain advantage. For example, I think McLaren found a loophole to use an auto box in 84, but that's rarely mentioned because it didn't win.

As for Schumacher's dubious collisions or blocking, others have highlighted equally outrageous and premeditated moves by other drivers, Senna in Japan being the most notable example. The trouble with Schumacher is that he was in the fastest car for so long that he accumulated the "most of" records for everything, good and bad.

Also Senna's death was due to driver error, manufacturing error or deign error, or a combination of those. We'll never really know. There was certainly no causal effect from other cars.

I suspected that this thread would end up in fanboy territory with people airing prejudices and grudges. I never expected it to invoke Senna's death. That's the F1 equivalent of Godwin's Law.

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