2013 Japanese GP - Suzuka

[Traction]

Superb race by the reigning Boss on the track!! Well done Seb great management of the car, patience was the key. Did what was needed, understanding the race situation showed massive maturity.

Webber showing why he has always been rated no. Two, his win was in his hands but he blew it by not using the best car on the track with tyres 10 laps fresher to get past Grosjean. Seb blew past him really quickly. Some might say that the strategy was geared to advantage Seb over Webber but if truth be told if Webber got past Grosjean quickly Seb would have been under massive pressure from mark with fresh mediums.

Fantastic race by Grosjean! he's getting better and better,


Seb marches on!

You are kidding, isn't it? It reminds me a song from Nirvana: "If you fool yourself you will make you happy"

[max_speed]

They screwed Webber with that early 2nd stop. It forced Grosjean to pit, Vettel stayed out and that was all they needed.

Correct , i think vettel fans dnt watch race they just watch him..else they wud have relaised this and wud have stopped talking crap in this forum

[iotar__]

No, race was over when hards went off in the second stint and laps compared to RB were slower. They had bigger chance on mediums (front vs rear limited) but it required some flexibility and risk (stuck on tortoise tactics even Bahrain was by accident). RG had little business to be there anyway (Alonso/Raikkonen 35 s + behind even with traffic).

Vettel with tyre advantage if not talent, well done RB, Pirelli and Lotus ("device" and working hard since the testing to not have driver at 100% especially in relation to tyres) Oh no, It's again all about tyres, tyres (and car) not talent or speed, I can't stand it .

[LionKing]

having 13 sec advantage 11 laps to go ... figure it out yourself. he had to be more than second faster just to catch him

utter crap

Actually he was only 8 Secs behind, going 1 sec quicker per lap. He just failed to pass Romain

Vettel's pass on RG was just spot on, compromsing his chicane and getting the power down to pass on the straight

and Webber had fresh MEDIUMs...

[oT v1]

Was mark giving the team two fingers when we went by the pit wall? at first i thought it was at Grosjean for holding him up (a bit tasteless) but then i realised Gro slowed and stopped well after Webber went by.

[hendrix]

I know. I really dislike RBR. I can't blame them for thinking about the WDC, but Webber was clearly the faster driver today. If your own team screws you out of a win like that, I don't know...

I guess it wasn't the team who screwed Webbers race. They had to pit him that early (for second stop) since his tyres were dead. If they hadn't pitted him at this point people would also say that RB screwed him... He was close to vettel today but not faster.

This is not true, Webber was second 3 seconds from Grosjean and the correct would been to keep the gap, then push and stop one lap early than Grosjean, but this would put Vettel 3th. Iam completely sure that if Vettel has been in the position of Webber they hadn´t change to 3 pitstops.
It is not a good strategy, Vettel did't need this crap to win the championship and this is making a more hated RBR and a more hated Vettel.

[McMrocks]

I know. I really dislike RBR. I can't blame them for thinking about the WDC, but Webber was clearly the faster driver today. If your own team screws you out of a win like that, I don't know...

I guess it wasn't the team who screwed Webbers race. They had to pit him that early (for second stop) since his tyres were dead. If they hadn't pitted him at this point people would also say that RB screwed him... He was close to vettel today but not faster.

This is not true, Webber was second 3 seconds from Grosjean and the correct would been to keep the gap, then push and stop one lap early than Grosjean, but this would put Vettel 3th. Iam completely sure that if Vettel has been in the position of Webber they hadn´t change to 3 pitstops.
It is not a good strategy, Vettel did't need this crap to win the championship and this is making a more hated RBR and a more hated Vettel.

you refer to the last pit stop of Webber, right? Well, we don't know if Webber had made it to the end without falling down the cliff. I guess the teams have more data and more information and more knowledge about this. If they hadn't pitted he had to do nearly the half race distance on the hards...

[Traction]

with 8 laps left Webber was at one stage, on medium tyres, less than 6 seconds behind the leader who was on 6 lap old hard tyres but his failure to mange getting past Grosjean who was on 14 lap old hards was his own undoing. If he got past Grosjean like he was supposed to no one can deny that he would of caught Seb and a battle for at least a couple of laps would have ensued.

No one can deny this except for the haters...no matter what happens when Seb wins there will always be blame laid at every body else's doorstep as opposed to just admitting that he drove a fantastic race.

[iotar__]

I know. I really dislike RBR. I can't blame them for thinking about the WDC, but Webber was clearly the faster driver today. If your own team screws you out of a win like that, I don't know...

I guess it wasn't the team who screwed Webbers race. They had to pit him that early (for second stop) since his tyres were dead. If they hadn't pitted him at this point people would also say that RB screwed him... He was close to vettel today but not faster.

This is not true, Webber was second 3 seconds from Grosjean and the correct would been to keep the gap, then push and stop one lap early than Grosjean, but this would put Vettel 3th. Iam completely sure that if Vettel has been in the position of Webber they hadn´t change to 3 pitstops.
It is not a good strategy, Vettel did't need this crap to win the championship and this is making a more hated RBR and a more hated Vettel.

I didn't think much about Webber during the race, but really even if he was slower on hards or couldn't push them as long as Vettel they could have left him in front and see what happens. I'll wait for reactions but safe bet they would have done it either way.

[zeph]

If they hadn't pitted him too early, Webber would have never ended up behind Grosjean, and Vettel would have been third.

Webber showed he had the pace, and was robbed of the win by stop 2. What happened after that is immaterial.

[hendrix]

Radio Webber :"mode 3 Multy 22", means you will pass to 3 pitstops strategy and you are not fighting with Vettel or Grosjean, you fight with your self.
Radio Vettel: "you are fighting with Grosjean, not with Webber". Means: We have put Webber fighting with his self because he was in better position to win the race. That is all.

[CHT]

Vettel has always been better than webber when comes to managing tires, so he shouldnt have problem passing Webber tomorrow unless he has got issue with KERS.

Not easy to overtake at Suzuka especially given the top speed advantage that Webber has, and Webber may be given the preference on strategy (in terms of who gets the undercut) because he is ahead on track. Vettel's best chance is the start.

Webber race is again compromise by the tyres.

[iotar__]

When I read one more time how masterful Vettel's strategy was in one of dumb headlines I'm going to puke. It's even worse than some of the things written here , they really have no clue. [vs survival tyre mode and his team mate taken care of either way].

[Mandrake]

When I read one more time how masterful Vettel's strategy was in one of dumb headlines I'm going to puke. It's even worse than some of the things written here , they really have no clue. [vs survival tyre mode and his team mate taken care of either way].

Oh the bitterness....

[Traction]

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I didn't think much about Webber during the race, but really even if he was slower on hards or couldn't push them as long as Vettel they could have left him in front and see what happens. I'll wait for reactions but safe bet they would have done it either way.[/quote]

And if they had left him out and it never worked out according the outcome you want you would have cursed RBR for a stupid strategy and for constructing a win for Vettel...