Sauber C33 Ferrari

[Bikeman]

besides the brake-problems, any idea on how much speed they will gain with all the aero parts on it ?

[Racer X]

I love the car but they never develop the front wing...

[beelsebob]

I love the car but they never develop the front wing...

Why is everyone so convinced that the front wing is the thing that must be changed all the damn time?

[turbof1]

I love the car but they never develop the front wing...

Why is everyone so convinced that the front wing is the thing that must be changed all the damn time?

Because if the team don't, they get Garry Anderson and other people nagging about how primitive their car is.

No seriously, I do believe that having FW development is very important due it controls the airflow structures to the rest of the car. Mclaren neglected it, then got stuck at Abu Dhabi with not enough front downforce due them recuperating so much rear downforce at the end of the 2013 season.

Anyway, I sincerely believe racer X's FW development darkest fantasies will be forfilled this season. It'll be an orgasm of aero development with everybody trying to reshape airflow around the tyres with a shorter FW.

[Racer X]

Sauber has left me rather un satisfied... But i only wonder because we see them do such a good job with the rest of the car and i can't help but notice the front wing un changed for 3 seasons now...

[wesley123]

There is a saying that goes the following; Don't fix something that isn't broken.

The Sauber front wing is rather well developed, and certainly with a loss of downforce in this year, there is fairly little point in changing a front wing when the gains can be made somewhere else. Remember that Sauber doesn't have the finances to develop on such an extreme basis as other teams are doing.

The front wing has received a new end plate and a different flap for this season already and also saw various variations of the wing last year.

[Artur Craft]

besides the brake-problems, any idea on how much speed they will gain with all the aero parts on it ?

The thing you have to question is: gain on what?

The laptimes they did in Jerez are not the max they could do. They were just checking everything the whole test as the 2014 aero parts weren't introduced yet. There is not point in going for setup changes in order to seek for better laptimes and etc

Sauber aimed at nailing reliability with Jerez's test and only really push in Bahrain.

They have a much more limited budget than Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and some others. They can't design, develop as much aero parts as this other teams can, so their development rate is much lower and only in next tests that we'll see their true package.

[Bikeman]

The laptimes they did in Jerez are not the max they could do. They were just checking everything the whole test as the 2014 aero parts weren't introduced yet... Sauber aimed at nailing reliability with Jerez's test and only really push in Bahrain. .....

.. that's what I already wrote, so I'm fully aware of this. .. In Jerez, they had only very basic aeroparts on the car and without pushing, lost a few seconds only compared to the fastest. So I'm curious about how fast they will be, once they have all the aeroparts on the car.

[danielk]

The laptimes they did in Jerez are not the max they could do. They were just checking everything the whole test as the 2014 aero parts weren't introduced yet... Sauber aimed at nailing reliability with Jerez's test and only really push in Bahrain. .....

.. that's what I already wrote, so I'm fully aware of this. .. In Jerez, they had only very basic aeroparts on the car and without pushing, lost a few seconds only compared to the fastest. So I'm curious about how fast they will be, once they have all the aeroparts on the car.

Well that all depends how hard everyone else was pushing. To draw any conclusions from this test other than reliability is impossible. Many teams have basic packages and will have major upgrades come the next tests and Melbourne. Every team has admitted they were not pushing so they could be a few seconds off the pace, or they could be the outright fastest.

Remember nobody was pushing so to say sauber were not pushing and were 2 seconds off is irrelevant as i expect the lap times we saw in Jerez even those who did the fastest laps, I reckon if they were to take fuel out and actually set the car up to the track, turn the engine up to max then we would have seen lap times around 4-5 seconds faster maybe even more.

[Bikeman]

understood.. thx.. (.. I was already seeing Sauber be ahead of the pack.. =D> .. )

[FrukostScones]

nice view without ob

[Racer X]

Did Esteban crash?

[thisisatest]

^ looks like the new Deltawing entry into F1

[Bikeman]

Did Esteban crash?

.. no.. Sutil

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