2014 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona

[George-Jung]

A littile history lesson, no driver has won the wdc without winning anyone of the first 4 races.
No one has ever succeeded in doing that in the entire history of the sport

How about Keke Rosberg? if i'am correct he did not win one of the first 4 races in 1982

[mnmracer]

A littile history lesson, no driver has won the wdc without winning anyone of the first 4 races.
No one has ever succeeded in doing that in the entire history of the sport

How about Keke Rosberg? if i'am correct he did not win one of the first 4 races in 1982

Mike Hawthorn, 1958, first won the fifth race (out of 11)
John Surtees, 1964, first won the sixth race (out of 10)
Niki Lauda, 1975, first won the fifth race (out of 14)
Jody Scheckter, 1979, first won the sixth race (out of 15)
Keke Rosberg, 1984, first won the fourteenth race (out of 16)
Nelson Piquet, 1987, first won the eigth race (out of 16)
Alain Prost, 1989, first won the fifth race (out of 16)

[dans79]

According to Christian Horner, Red Bull need to BEAT mercedes in spain to have a shot at the title. Catching Merc is 1 thing, but beating them! Anyone think its possible?

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/710304440?-2724:768

Horner is just spreading hype, to keep his team motivated. Merc has to much pace and fuel economy in hand for RBR to magically be able to challenge them. After Alonso beat them in China, The RBR10 is looking like the 3rd best car on the grid. It has to be embarrassing for RBR as a team to go from dominating last season, to where they currently stand.

[johnsonwax]

According to Christian Horner, Red Bull need to BEAT mercedes in spain to have a shot at the title. Catching Merc is 1 thing, but beating them! Anyone think its possible?

No, and he's right, they do.

The issue isn't the drivers champ that will go down to the last few races, but the constructors that can get settled MUCH faster. A 1-2 finish gets you 43 points. A 3-4 finish gets you 28 points. If the Mercedes were at least being split, earning 40 to RBs 30, that'd at least slow the inevitable, but right now they can't even stay in front of Rosberg, and Lewis has been utterly uncatchable. At the rate of the last 3 races, this will nearly be decided by the summer break.

Mercedes is already 100 points clear of RB. The problem isn't just that Mercedes is consistently finishing 1-2, it's also that the rest of the pack are splitting 3-4. Ferrari has a 3 and two 4s. So does RB. McLaren has a 2-3. Force India has the remaining 3rd. RB isn't even reliably getting the 28 points, let alone cutting into the 43.

[f1316]

You'd suggest from Malaysia and China that on a track with reasonable length corners, the competition weren't actually that far from the second Mercedes. So yeah, I totally think it's possible for either a Ferrari or a red bull - depending entirely on the relative strength of their upgrades - to beat one Mercedes.

[SiLo]

You'd suggest from Malaysia and China that on a track with reasonable length corners, the competition weren't actually that far from the second Mercedes. So yeah, I totally think it's possible for either a Ferrari or a red bull - depending entirely on the relative strength of their upgrades - to beat one Mercedes.

I still think they will be some way off, especially when it comes to the race. Don't forget, Rosberg had an awful start in China and had no telemetry, yet he calmly and slowly reeled everyone in front of him in and overtook them. There was never any urgency in it. The team just said, lets overtake the next person and he did.

For me that says that it is likely to be another 1-2.

[f1316]

You'd suggest from Malaysia and China that on a track with reasonable length corners, the competition weren't actually that far from the second Mercedes. So yeah, I totally think it's possible for either a Ferrari or a red bull - depending entirely on the relative strength of their upgrades - to beat one Mercedes.

I still think they will be some way off, especially when it comes to the race. Don't forget, Rosberg had an awful start in China and had no telemetry, yet he calmly and slowly reeled everyone in front of him in and overtook them. There was never any urgency in it. The team just said, lets overtake the next person and he did.

For me that says that it is likely to be another 1-2.

Agree that it's likely, just think it is a reasonable target - especially as Barcelona may be even more towards rb/Ferrari strengths (or perhaps that should be less towards their weaknesses) than any circuit so far.

Entirely depends on what they bring and if it works though (he says, stating the obvious). But you imagine from horner's statement that rb at least have something they believe is significant.

[Lazy]

According to Christian Horner, Red Bull need to BEAT mercedes in spain to have a shot at the title. Catching Merc is 1 thing, but beating them! Anyone think its possible?

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/710304440?-2724:768

A littile history lesson, no driver has won the wdc without winning anyone of the first 4 races.
No one has ever succeeded in doing that in the entire history of the sport

That's very like the history lessons we got at school.

[johnsonwax]

But you imagine from horner's statement that rb at least have something they believe is significant.

I don't get that sense at all. It sounds like they're going to throw everything on the car they have, and hope that Seb and Daniel have enough talent to not stick it in the wall, with a little bit of wishful thinking that Merc is out of improvements.

He's asserting that they need to win, not really that they can.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

Most of the time Lewis Hamilton was cruising during the Chinese GP. And Merc will bring their own new package/updates, so I think they will be hard to beat, but we will see.

[Waywardism]

With Horner making this statement that Red Bull need to win here next weekend, what happens when they don't? It's going to be a long year of long faces at RBR.

[marcush.]

But you imagine from horner's statement that rb at least have something they believe is significant.

I don't get that sense at all. It sounds like they're going to throw everything on the car they have, and hope that Seb and Daniel have enough talent to not stick it in the wall, with a little bit of wishful thinking that Merc is out of improvements.

He's asserting that they need to win, not really that they can.

I think this is what is their plan:
Throwing everything into the game till Barcelona ,see if there is any Chance to compete AND make up the lost ground in the Championship -if not: redirect all car development recources towards 2015...

[f1316]

With Horner making this statement that Red Bull need to win here next weekend, what happens when they don't? It's going to be a long year of long faces at RBR.

Well quite. In which case he'd be less likely to say it if he thought there was zero chance of them being able to achieve it.

I think they knew from very early on in testing that they'd need some major upgrades in order to compete, so the Barcelona update would always have been their intended turning point.

[Juzh]

But you imagine from horner's statement that rb at least have something they believe is significant.

I don't get that sense at all. It sounds like they're going to throw everything on the car they have, and hope that Seb and Daniel have enough talent to not stick it in the wall, with a little bit of wishful thinking that Merc is out of improvements.

He's asserting that they need to win, not really that they can.

I think this is what is their plan:
Throwing everything into the game till Barcelona ,see if there is any Chance to compete AND make up the lost ground in the Championship -if not: redirect all car development recources towards 2015...

I don't get this. Why would they stop development of RB10? This ain't like last year when we had a major overhaul incoming. You effectively gain nothing by stopping with the development of current car.

[marcush.]

I said Redirect all car development towards 2015 ..that´s not saying they will not make gains this year...but you would not optimise your package for a obsolete PU ...