2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[turbof1]

This is the team thread, we can talk about things relating to the team, car speculation belongs in the car thread.

there are 2 threads bud. but as long as everybody keeps posting here, it keeps confusing people.
i have brought this to the mods attention but i think even the mods are confused and not aware that there are 2 team threads, apart from a car thread too.

Yeah I'm looking into it. I'll merge the 2 topics.
EDIT: moved recent posts to this topic, others to the 2018 topic.

[etusch]

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These are looking like ex McLaren livery

[Capharol]

This is the team thread, we can talk about things relating to the team, car speculation belongs in the car thread.

there are 2 threads bud. but as long as everybody keeps posting here, it keeps confusing people.
i have brought this to the mods attention but i think even the mods are confused and not aware that there are 2 team threads, apart from a car thread too.

Yeah I'm looking into it. I'll merge the 2 topics.
EDIT: moved recent posts to this topic, others to the 2018 topic.

thank you turbof1

[Hammerfist]

The comparison was only between the RB, Merc and Ferrari for this debate and my argument is that Red Bull is NOT the best chassis and the compromise that other big teams choose to adopt.

Then you must also think the Renault pu is equal to a Merc or Ferrari.
To me Redbull has proven again and again they have the best chassis; they are able to run less wing than the others and still match or exceed their performance in corners. They have outperformed both Merc and Ferrari in some races too, or whenever the engine power had a lower effect.

Can you provide some data to back your claims? I did that in previous posts. For the ease of reference, I would put it out here again.

I am going to compare Max to Lewis' time as it has been debated that, Kimi got benefited in S3 from Vettel's toe.
Here are quali times from Monza. Max, was 4 tenths down in S1 compared to Lewis , 3 tenths down in S2 and half a second down in S3. I am not sure where is RB's highly effective downforce with ultra thin wing playing a role here.
https://i.imgur.com/BF8YA2A.png

Here is a nice comparison image from Monza GP. Arguably, if Mercedes would have bolted the same RB wing, they would have matched RB in S2 and would have probably been close to a second faster in both S1 and S3.
https://i.imgur.com/QoIU0WO.jpg

Below are images from Suzuka, a track that requires great deal of downforce. Can you tell me, where is RB running less wing?

https://i.imgur.com/ULc8MT1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6QuJTgI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/giqNMhy.png

Another factor for Mercedes is, when they go for Spoon wing, they cut down on it's depth too, which reduces the surface area. Which is not the case for Red Bull. Look at the size difference between two wings for main plane of Mercedes! The main plane in Spoon wing is almost half of their full downforce wing!
https://i.imgur.com/TIqSrZr.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW9pYlNW4AAo-P7.jpg:large

And here is the graph that Juzh posted in the previous page. This is qualifying comparison in Suzuka. (Open the image link in a new window to view full size).
https://i.imgur.com/vaxqbqd.png

Isn't the idea of the spoon wing to keep downforce levels relatively high but minimize the effect of drag?

You can't just assume that Merc would be slower in S2 and gain a second in the other sectors if they ran a wing like Redbull, because that would mean their overall lap time would be better than what they actually ran in the session. Whatever they ran at Monza was what was best for them, no? And again, you still seem to dismiss the accepted fact that the Renault PU is nowhere near the Merc in output.

And on those pics you posted, it is clear to me that Redbulls' wing is smaller. At Suzuka Merc chose to run Spoon, because they felt it was best for them while Redbull ran a normal wing. So no, I am not following you.

As far as proof, I don't have it, but if you were listening to the US broadcasts before 2018 Steve Matchett used to always talk about Redbull's ability to run less wing than competitors and still matching or beating them in specific corners.

[dxpetrov]

Then you must also think the Renault pu is equal to a Merc or Ferrari.
To me Redbull has proven again and again they have the best chassis; they are able to run less wing than the others and still match or exceed their performance in corners. They have outperformed both Merc and Ferrari in some races too, or whenever the engine power had a lower effect.

Can you provide some data to back your claims? I did that in previous posts. For the ease of reference, I would put it out here again.

I am going to compare Max to Lewis' time as it has been debated that, Kimi got benefited in S3 from Vettel's toe.
Here are quali times from Monza. Max, was 4 tenths down in S1 compared to Lewis , 3 tenths down in S2 and half a second down in S3. I am not sure where is RB's highly effective downforce with ultra thin wing playing a role here.
https://i.imgur.com/BF8YA2A.png

Here is a nice comparison image from Monza GP. Arguably, if Mercedes would have bolted the same RB wing, they would have matched RB in S2 and would have probably been close to a second faster in both S1 and S3.
https://i.imgur.com/QoIU0WO.jpg

Below are images from Suzuka, a track that requires great deal of downforce. Can you tell me, where is RB running less wing?

https://i.imgur.com/ULc8MT1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6QuJTgI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/giqNMhy.png

Another factor for Mercedes is, when they go for Spoon wing, they cut down on it's depth too, which reduces the surface area. Which is not the case for Red Bull. Look at the size difference between two wings for main plane of Mercedes! The main plane in Spoon wing is almost half of their full downforce wing!
https://i.imgur.com/TIqSrZr.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW9pYlNW4AAo-P7.jpg:large

And here is the graph that Juzh posted in the previous page. This is qualifying comparison in Suzuka. (Open the image link in a new window to view full size).
https://i.imgur.com/vaxqbqd.png

Isn't the idea of the spoon wing to keep downforce levels relatively high but minimize the effect of drag?

You can't just assume that Merc would be slower in S2 and gain a second in the other sectors if they ran a wing like Redbull, because that would mean their overall lap time would be better than what they actually ran in the session. Whatever they ran at Monza was what was best for them, no? And again, you still seem to dismiss the accepted fact that the Renault PU is nowhere near the Merc in output.

And on those pics you posted, it is clear to me that Redbulls' wing is smaller. At Suzuka Merc chose to run Spoon, because they felt it was best for them while Redbull ran a normal wing. So no, I am not following you.

As far as proof, I don't have it, but if you were listening to the US broadcasts before 2018 Steve Matchett used to always talk about Redbull's ability to run less wing than competitors and still matching or beating them in specific corners.

Since Suzuka, RBR opted to run close to optimal DF configuration (read: larger RW) after MV's revelation that despite what simulators showed previously with smaller RW, being able to run with more downforce gives more confidence and lap time at the end. They kept the same philosophy till the end of year which resulted they being maybe fastest team in race trim in all those races.

[HPD]

The Honda logo in a very strange position

[ivanlesk]

Same as last year just added Honda. Not sure it's strange, for me at least.

[F1NAC]

This is fireproof underwear which is under suit. No need for design gimmicks

[Snorked]

2019 helmets

[Manoah2u]

Nice, Max' helmet seems to look a bit more like his dad's from this angle. i always really liked his dad's helmet.

[Capharol]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... TMEnt.html

[bosyber]

Well, that reads as very tasty stuff @Capharol

[FPV GTHO]

This is fireproof underwear which is under suit. No need for design gimmicks

There would still be considerable attention given to the design layout. At some point, just like that photo, the drivers will be seen in them.

[GhostF1]

2019 helmets

https://i.imgur.com/j7J0mp9l.jpg

Definitely Red & White influence from Honda there!

[Thunder]

https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 7661672449