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Well, that is a bit short, there were multiple points leading to the outcome and I do not see much "backfire":FittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:11Yeah, Max did really great to put himself into a position where he could capitalize on the red flag. He drove super well, he was patient when he needed to be and fast when it was important. But it could have easily backfired. Without Colapinto crash we probably stay under safety car and Verstappen needs to pit into traffic again to take new tires.
Wasn't Lando quite close to Max when the safety car was called? If the cars got bunched behind the safety car, and then Nax and the Alpines stopped, they would have dropped a bit down the order.basti313 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 14:07Well, that is a bit short, there were multiple points leading to the outcome and I do not see much "backfire":FittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:11Yeah, Max did really great to put himself into a position where he could capitalize on the red flag. He drove super well, he was patient when he needed to be and fast when it was important. But it could have easily backfired. Without Colapinto crash we probably stay under safety car and Verstappen needs to pit into traffic again to take new tires.
- What actually hurt Lando and Russel the most was the wrong call for the pitstop at the VSC. Russel clearly said it after the race and this really put both back. That cost both of them more than 10sec (I guess even more, I do not have the lap timing available now). The call was just blatantly wrong and there was enough time to correct when they saw Hulkenberg driving away.
- Even if the Alpines and Max were the only ones on worn tires, it was wet. Means the field spreads quickly, in Imola atwo years ago on a much less wet track on even tires, the field spread in 5 laps to 19sec till P8. Lando and George would need to pass the Alpines with Yuki on wets behind...I really do not see Verstappen loosing many positions with the 19sec of a normal pitstop there (also no lap times, I wonder if it was even 19sec in the wet), he would just need to hang out a few laps and defend the position.
- With the gap he put on the others and the clumsy restarts...there is not much difference thinkable especially if the Alpines and the RedBull come on the drying track. They were on average a second faster on nearly equal tires.
Why didn't being brought up by a well off family and privileged background, including private schooling, affect Oscar then??Madhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.
Yes, but not far enough. As mentioned, if they just hang out a few laps, many gaps would generate in these conditions. It is a bit like fortune telling, which pace they would have had...but I do not see them loosing out too much.Ben1980 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 14:28Wasn't Lando quite close to Max when the safety car was called? If the cars got bunched behind the safety car, and then Nax and the Alpines stopped, they would have dropped a bit down the order.basti313 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 14:07Well, that is a bit short, there were multiple points leading to the outcome and I do not see much "backfire":FittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:11Yeah, Max did really great to put himself into a position where he could capitalize on the red flag. He drove super well, he was patient when he needed to be and fast when it was important. But it could have easily backfired. Without Colapinto crash we probably stay under safety car and Verstappen needs to pit into traffic again to take new tires.
- What actually hurt Lando and Russel the most was the wrong call for the pitstop at the VSC. Russel clearly said it after the race and this really put both back. That cost both of them more than 10sec (I guess even more, I do not have the lap timing available now). The call was just blatantly wrong and there was enough time to correct when they saw Hulkenberg driving away.
- Even if the Alpines and Max were the only ones on worn tires, it was wet. Means the field spreads quickly, in Imola atwo years ago on a much less wet track on even tires, the field spread in 5 laps to 19sec till P8. Lando and George would need to pass the Alpines with Yuki on wets behind...I really do not see Verstappen loosing many positions with the 19sec of a normal pitstop there (also no lap times, I wonder if it was even 19sec in the wet), he would just need to hang out a few laps and defend the position.
- With the gap he put on the others and the clumsy restarts...there is not much difference thinkable especially if the Alpines and the RedBull come on the drying track. They were on average a second faster on nearly equal tires.
No, it was never right. They were the fastest cars on track, everyone else was caught behind Tsunoda. So there was no reason to pit under green in changing conditions. Then they saw the opportunity for a free stop under VSC and reacted much too slow in the end when the VSC ending was clear about 15sec before they went into the pits.
Sorry, I was only suggesting Austria as a potential answer. I wasn’t looking for a reply.avantman wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 11:28Well, the incident was of his doing, which he later effectively admitted himself. but ok, I'll get this as an answer.
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lool Tell us how you really feel mate, Honestly from what ive seen this year Oscar doesn't have the raw pace that Lando has. Yes his wheel to wheel and overtakes are more clinical but he has one lap and tyre management to work on imo. its glaringly obvious at this point and the fact its not really improved from last year to now should be monitored. Until he works on this to the level of Lando or near he won't be in the frame for a WDC. Thats just my 2 pence.Madhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.
Max is great, but in who he came after Hamilton, someone will replace Max. It happens regularly. People thought Vettel was the pinnacle after 4 titles.McL-H wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 15:38Lando and Oscar are both very good drivers. They are on the same level as Hamilton, Russell, Leclerc and Sainz when rated by top potential. Piastri is not the new Max that people were hoping for, but realistically we may not see anyone from Max’s level in the foreseeable future.
the only problem this season is that norris always had upgrades for many races before piastri, they would be closer if it wasn't for thatMadhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.
I wish you could do emoji reactions to posts, would be super helpful I think, and it would potentially remove some of the posts here.Emag wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:43Definitely weren’t ready. Midfield and backmarkers for 10 years. And actually on this season it came as a surprise after Miami. They weren’t expecting to be in a title fight going into 2024 based on their predictions after new infrastructure came online.
A lot of weaknesses were exposed this season and they have to work to improve on them.
As for Lando, I hope the experience helps him improve both his racing abilities and the mental side of dealing with things in the sport.
I have to admit I was really frustrated at Lando yesterday, particularly at the restart. Every single driver was on the inside of the car in front trying to be ready to pounce at the green light. Whereas Lando was on the outside, letting the door fully open to Leclerc while not even being close to the car in front too.
It’s like he was trying to get overtaken.
How many, and what do you think impact was? But also, why would you give upgrades to the one behind always?Venturiation wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 15:50the only problem this season is that norris always had upgrades for many races before piastri, they would be closer if it wasn't for thatMadhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.
That's not what he is saying, he's saying that is part of the reason for the points gap.Ben1980 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 15:56How many, and what do you think impact was? But also, why would you give upgrades to the one behind always?Venturiation wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 15:50the only problem this season is that norris always had upgrades for many races before piastri, they would be closer if it wasn't for thatMadhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.