In what way?
I'd be much more concerned if both issues were mid/long-term fixes. I don't think it will be a problem considering it was the first failure of its type all year.
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Well it sounds like the have found the problem, but going to make a quick job of it in the mean time to getting a proper fix. So your not getting a proper fix the first time. A bit like a 'bodge' (used loosely)
Its quite probably they mean short term as 'until we redesign it' rather than it'll do for this week.chrisc90 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 23:15Well it sounds like the have found the problem, but going to make a quick job of it in the mean time to getting a proper fix. So your not getting a proper fix the first time. A bit like a 'bodge' (used loosely)
Removed I went off topic, ( I must try harder)
No, engines are a flat $15 mil per season, they don't fit in the cost cap. However pretty obviously they suck time that could be spent on other things given the imminent September deadline.Schippke wrote: ↑15 Jun 2022, 15:31Correct me if I'm wrong, but would using more power unit components chew into the (Ferrari's) Cost Cap for the season?
Obviously the supply other teams as well which wouldn't be paying you'd imagine for those fixes... but surely that would hamper Ferrari in multiple ways financially to right the issues of the Power Unit...?
And I totally agree. I hope they take the reliability fix opportunity to find even more power. What bothers me is that this season is a golden opportunity to win the championships because Red Bull are a much weaker opponent than Mercedes. It will be so so much tougher to beat Mercedes from 2023 onwards when they're back at the front, but it is what it is.S D wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022, 14:02I think that in spite of what has transpired in the last few races, Ferrari has taken the best approach. The engine is frozen for several seasons. They pushed for maximum power knowing they could eventually correct for reliability. This said this many times.
We would not be happy with suboptimal power and high reliability fighting for 10th.
They will knock down these issues one by one under highest priority.
Perhaps after they did their reliability program they have turned up the engine and as the power is being turned up it exposes weaknesses in all areas of the system that they were unable to see before.
We complained when they didn't have good to speed, they closed that gap with new wings. They could turn the engine down until they solve the issues and we will complain about lack of speed.
Let's hope that they turn it around soon.
In what way?wowgr8 wrote: ↑15 Jun 2022, 17:34And I totally agree. I hope they take the reliability fix opportunity to find even more power. What bothers me is that this season is a golden opportunity to win the championships because Red Bull are a much weaker opponent than Mercedes. It will be so so much tougher to beat Mercedes from 2023 onwards when they're back at the front, but it is what it is.S D wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022, 14:02I think that in spite of what has transpired in the last few races, Ferrari has taken the best approach. The engine is frozen for several seasons. They pushed for maximum power knowing they could eventually correct for reliability. This said this many times.
We would not be happy with suboptimal power and high reliability fighting for 10th.
They will knock down these issues one by one under highest priority.
Perhaps after they did their reliability program they have turned up the engine and as the power is being turned up it exposes weaknesses in all areas of the system that they were unable to see before.
We complained when they didn't have good to speed, they closed that gap with new wings. They could turn the engine down until they solve the issues and we will complain about lack of speed.
Let's hope that they turn it around soon.
Yes, right now but I'm talking historically. I mean look at how Mercedes retook technical supremacy in the middle of last year and became more and more dominant as the season went on, they should've won both titles. When they get back in front they will be the team to beat, at least in my opinion.
Was RB stronger in the first stint? Perez quickly built a 2s lead but it didn't grow any more than that, also Verstappen was on Lec's tail but he couldn't get past even with 8 tenths a lap more speed through DRS and slipstream. To me that showed the race pace was even or even favoured Leclerc a little.
F1 doesn't work like that. There's absolutely no guarantee they get back up front. Red Bull outclassed them in strategy last year and finally built the superior car to match that strategy this year.wowgr8 wrote: ↑15 Jun 2022, 17:45Yes, right now but I'm talking historically. I mean look at how Mercedes retook technical supremacy in the middle of last year and became more and more dominant as the season went on, they should've won both titles. When they get back in front they will be the team to beat, at least in my opinion.
Hard to compare thought isn't it?wowgr8 wrote: ↑15 Jun 2022, 17:45Yes, right now but I'm talking historically. I mean look at how Mercedes retook technical supremacy in the middle of last year and became more and more dominant as the season went on, they should've won both titles. When they get back in front they will be the team to beat, at least in my opinion.
I was under the impression that the $15m per season is the cap that constructors can charge a customer for their engine supply. I do not believe that if Ferrari (for example) themselves need to spend more than $15m to construct more engines to run in the season that any excess becomes exempt. The $15m rule is to protect customers being fleeced by the constructors (who would want to reduce their rivals' budget).dialtone wrote: ↑15 Jun 2022, 16:06No, engines are a flat $15 mil per season, they don't fit in the cost cap. However pretty obviously they suck time that could be spent on other things given the imminent September deadline.Schippke wrote: ↑15 Jun 2022, 15:31Correct me if I'm wrong, but would using more power unit components chew into the (Ferrari's) Cost Cap for the season?
Obviously the supply other teams as well which wouldn't be paying you'd imagine for those fixes... but surely that would hamper Ferrari in multiple ways financially to right the issues of the Power Unit...?