2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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Re: 2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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RonMexico wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 22:32
PapayaFan481 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 21:53
venkyhere wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 19:20


The newest narrative by DTS F1 fans is - "Max won the WDC because he built up a points lead buffer in the first five races, before Miami, before Mclaren became the real 2024 car".
That just pisses me off. That narrative is sweeping the most important aspect under the carpet. As much as I would have liked a close WDC fight, and a new WDC winner, the 'buffer' was never really reduced by Norris, despite having the best car underneath him after Miami. To put things in perspective, that's 17/22 races, having the faster of the two cars, and having 100% success with updates, against a string of terrible backwards band-aid-fix updates by Redbull.

If we take a big picture view of the season so far,

a) within first 5 races, there was one DNF for Max and 4 wins.
b) the races that followed after the 'transformative' 6th Miami race, where McLaren became the faster car and became kinder to tyres - Imola, Canada, Barcelona -- Max won, by the tiniest of margins - strategy skill of the pitwall or driving skill of driver, or both.
c) Redbullring. Austria. The first signs of a 'proper fight' - Max grabbed a P5 with a puncture sacrifice, while Norris suffered terminal damage.
d) Silverstone was a huge opportunity lost with mickey mouse strategy by McLaren. Max had the 3rd/4th fastest car, but still finished P2 (great last stint on H) ahead of Norris.
e) Then came Hungaroring, Spa and Zandvoort - the RB20 was terrible by now compared to the McLaren, and still Max kept picking up P5 P4 and P2

By now, McLaren is the totally dominant machine and Redbull is surely the 3rd/4th fastest car.

f) Now comes Monza and Baku, and Max's car has almost become a midfielder (horrible setup change after FP3 in baku) and yet again Max is squeezing everything out of the car and bagging P6 and P5
g) The big change for Redbull happened in Singapore, for which they ditched their simulators and setup the car using FP1,2,3 data. Though the car was still much inferior to McLaren, it was best of the rest and Max grabbed an important P2, miles behind Norris nevertheless.
h) The RB20 became more predictable and some sort of floor solution was obtained (frankenstein diffuser or not) for COTA, and Max got to the podium in P3. The reason Norris finished behind, despite having a clearly superior car, was because he couldn't pass a much slower Max for almost 10+ laps, being in the DRS. That was a defensive masterclass from Max, and we could see a nervous Norris, afraid to attack.
i) All the fixes from Singapore and COTA didn't prove their worth in the rarefied air of Mexico, and the RB20 was a dud, miles behind the rampaging McLaren. But still Max picked up a patient (or impatient, rather, after the penalties) P6.
j) Brazil - we all know, it had less to do with the car, it was all driver. " #cojones "
k) LasVegas - again, Redbull was the 3rd fastest car and Max grabbed the 'par' P5 finish. However, McLaren ruined their car setup and Norris finished behind, at P6

When they say 'it was all because of the buffer built at the start' , look at all those points picked up by Max, from b) through j), That is the reason he is world champion (the only exception is Austria, where Norris came worse off a wheel to wheel battle, suffering more damage than Max. Hence can't blame Norris not picking up points there). . And not just because of those 4 wins from the first five races. And for what it's worth, it wasn't as if Norris was finishing outside the points in those first five races, he finished on the podium twice.
So much for the 'it was all from the initial wins' narrative. Max literally drove like a robot (excepting some brain fade moves in Mexico) and consistently grabbed what was possible with the car he had. That's why he won the WDC. Norris, on the other hand, didn't utilize the monster machine he was given by his engineers - whether by volition of his own driving or whether due to mistakes by the pitwall, the 'opportunity with the superior machine' was squandered.
Where did I state that??

I am not a DTS fan, can't stand that trash.

Fact is Max did build a points gap at the start of the season. Lando would have had to overcome the largest deficit in F1 history to win and McLaren did not have the dominant car, unlike what your so-called DTS fans will claim, and Lando and McLaren are still learning how to fight at the front, so understandably did not have the consistency that Max and Red Bull were able to manage, even when their car was 3rd or 4th fastest some weekends.

The problem McLaren faced was that, where Max had a clear advantage at the start of the season, Mclaren often had Ferrari or Mercedes in the mix as well.

So I actually agree with everything you said, apart from the beginning where you made false claims about what I have said.
Leclerc had a big lead over Verstappen in 2022 and it was reversed.

McLaren and Norris threw away a golden opportunity to win a drivers championship this year.
46 points after 3 races is very different to the deficit Lando would have had to overcome with far fewer races.
If I come across as blunt, I apologise, it's my ASD. Sometimes, like an F1 car aqua-planing, it gets out of my control.

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Re: 2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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RonMexico wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 22:32
Leclerc had a big lead over Verstappen in 2022 and it was reversed.

McLaren and Norris threw away a golden opportunity to win a drivers championship this year.
When did this happen? Verstappen won 4 of the first 6 races in which they both retired once.

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Re: 2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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Mattchu wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 22:58
RonMexico wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 22:32
Leclerc had a big lead over Verstappen in 2022 and it was reversed.

McLaren and Norris threw away a golden opportunity to win a drivers championship this year.
When did this happen? Verstappen won 4 of the first 6 races in which they both retired once.
Verstappen had a 46 point deficit after 3 rounds and won the title by 146 points. Of course it required Ferrari's car to become comfortably 2nd fastest, but I would argue this happened this season to red bull, given Verstappen went 10 races without a win