Red Bull RB6

[Italiano]

Fuel burns off with a bang, not a plume of blue smoke. That was residue oil.

[forty-two]

Fuel burns off with a bang, not a plume of blue smoke. That was residue oil.

It did look like oil burning, but I couldn't be absolutely sure that it wasn't related to something in a special engine map used for Q3.

But what about my suggestion about Vettel's spark plug issue being related to the alleged "special engine map"?

[Scotracer]

Fuel burns off with a bang, not a plume of blue smoke. That was residue oil.

Not necessarily. Go watch a V8 Supercar or DTM car on over-run...

[Italiano]

Sure, but in this case I think we can be certain it was just oil.

[Belatti]

One thing is the engine overruning with the "special" map in Q3 and another completely different thing is the engine failing in the race.

[siskue2005]

all this time we were thinking it is some ride height gizmo, this could be the answer?!
But what about sparks coming from under the car during q3
what about the gangste people standing behind the car covering it during the start of the race?

maybe they have both?!
This would explain why they all of a sudden have so much pace in q3
I guess all teams would have figured it now, from next race onwards we can see some fight for the Quly?

[ESPImperium]

where do you guys get this data from?
I know the BMW was the most powerfull from the v10 days are carried this characteristic into the v8 years, but to say how much each engine has, how do you that?

Its been reported by James allen at the end of last year for those figures. Cuoupled with what drivers say, you get the general subjective charicteristics of the engines as well.

BMW didnt carry over the most power into the V8s, but by the end of last year out-classed the Mercedes by arround 5-8 horsepower, but the fuel efficency was arround 0.12kg a lap more.

[avatar]

"Our rivals overestimate the benefits of the blown diffuser," he is quoted as saying by Germany's Auto Motor und Sport. "It's only about two or three tenths."

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport ... MP=OTC-RSS

2-3 tenths! Correct me if I'm wrong couldn't that kind of additional gain allow MCL to leapfrog RBR to become the standout machine on the grid?
(assuming MCL are still able to bring their normal level of gains to the next race + get the new exhaust/floor/diffuser combo right)

RBR will need something else in hand if MCL get it right.
Any rumours of major new RBR updates that might keep them ahead?

[BreezyRacer]

Well RB have stated that they will be running the F duct at Silverstone and it took RB a while to get that 2-3 tenths out of the blown diffuser so presumably it will take McLaren a while to make the most of it. BTW, it might be so effect with such a large rear end like McLaren have.

We'll see this weekend. It should be a barn burner of a race weekend!

[simplefan]

Sure, but in this case I think we can be certain it was just oil.

The oil smoke from Webbers' car in Bahrain happened twice but few made mention of the fact that the first plume was in the right hander and came only from the left exhaust (left cyl bank). The second plume was in the following lefthander and came only from the right exhaust (right bank). Captures are of the second plume.

Pictures also show the exhaust split with portions going through or over the diffuser.

[PlatinumZealot]

So assuming RedBull do use the retarded ignition in the race, redbull can move shift the effect of the exhuast left or right by programing the ecu to react to something like a Accelerometer (G sensor).. this exhaust aided diffuser is getting very interesting.

[Holm86]

I cant see why you would use this system on the left exhaust in a righthand turn???
Why put pressure on the side wich allready has all the weight on it??
I can only see this being an advantage by putting pressure on the right side in a righthand turn. But then again why not use the effect on both sides at the same time?? this would be the most effective i believe.


I think this photo illustrates some oil in the intage going to only 1 cylinder bank because of the G's in the corner and that makes sense since the smoke comes out of the right exhaust in a lefthand corner.

[casper]

Fuel burns off with a bang, not a plume of blue smoke. That was residue oil.

It did look like oil burning, but I couldn't be absolutely sure that it wasn't related to something in a special engine map used for Q3.

But what about my suggestion about Vettel's spark plug issue being related to the alleged "special engine map"?

Remember, we are talking about the exhaust, not the combustion chamber. The exhaust gases would be lacking oxygen since these have been burnt off in the combustion chamber. So the plume may be unburnt fuel. Unburnt oil would be in aerosol form, like a mist, and would be noticeable in the backend of the RB or on the helmet visors of the drivers following Webber.

[Patrickl]

where do you guys get this data from?
I know the BMW was the most powerfull from the v10 days are carried this characteristic into the v8 years, but to say how much each engine has, how do you that?

Its been reported by James allen at the end of last year for those figures.

James Allen simply copied those figures from "auto motor und sport"

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 84834.html

The engine manufacturers (and Red Bull) used audio analysis and GPS data to estimate each others' engine power.

[forty-two]

Fuel burns off with a bang, not a plume of blue smoke. That was residue oil.

It did look like oil burning, but I couldn't be absolutely sure that it wasn't related to something in a special engine map used for Q3.

But what about my suggestion about Vettel's spark plug issue being related to the alleged "special engine map"?

Remember, we are talking about the exhaust, not the combustion chamber. The exhaust gases would be lacking oxygen since these have been burnt off in the combustion chamber. So the plume may be unburnt fuel. Unburnt oil would be in aerosol form, like a mist, and would be noticeable in the backend of the RB or on the helmet visors of the drivers following Webber.

A very good point about the lack of oxygen in the exhaust.

Supposing Webber had used the "special engine map" during his last run of Q3, this (if the theory is correct) would be putting unburnt fuel/air mixture into the exhaust system. This would then cool considerably overnight while the FIA exhaust seals were in place. When Webber's car went out on the parade lap, his engine would have been warm, but not quite up to race temperature until such time as he booted it at the start of the race. This could then provide enough heat to burn the fuel left in the exhaust providing of course the pipe had some oxygen in it! If it didn't then it would not be able to combust until it met some oxygen, by which time it might have cooled down sufficiently to prevent combustion, so your comment about aerosol might be applicable to unburnt fuel also, but being lighter than oil, might be less noticable on the visor of drivers following?

Well, I don't know the truth, but finding out about this RB6 sure is interesting!