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[Rikhart]

RB´s paint scheme isn´t half as reflective as would be necessary, for all that to be a reflection. It´s in fact pretty opaque.

[AnthonyG]

The top slot (the one that continues over the whole wing) has a slightly different shape on left compared to right. So imo they're reflections.

No I'm inclined to agree that the picture above is a reflection. However that doesn't change the fact that many technical analysts saw the slots for themselves. The wing was only tested, not ran constantly.

I now see the changed picture.
Idd, slots.

[scarlet]

AMUS reporting that the slots are part of the return of the rear wing f-duct system to F1. The slot in the stepped nose is the intake. Mercedes and maybe McLaren and Lotus have something similar in development. http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 67937.html

[rayden]

considering the autosport drawing looks the same as the reflections, i'm thinking they got it wrong aswell

[Rikhart]

Look, picture from above:



What is there that vaguely looks like whats being "reflected"? Not to mention that for something to be reflected on that angle of the rear wing, it would have to be behind the car. I don´t think those are reflections at all!

[radosav]

Look, picture from above:



What is there that vaguely looks like whats being "reflected"? Not to mention that for something to be reflected on that angle of the rear wing, it would have to be behind the car. I don´t think those are reflections at all!

right click- zoom- reflections

[radosav]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x4dOGoR ... lpage#t=5s[/youtube]red bull still off throtle blowing?

[scarlet]

You'd definitely see gains from a RW f-duct in the race when the DRS is disabled. Probably less so in qualifying, the DRS is much more effective at dumping drag I'm guessing. It was worth what, over half a second of free laptime in 2010?

[Adrian Newby]

red bull still off throtle blowing?

[f1motta]

Check this pictures guys from @f1talks Twitter http://twitpic.com/8tjrk2, http://twitpic.com/8tjwrw

[kilcoo316]

You can blow it over the diffuser if you want - however, you do not want significant changes in downforce when on/off throttle* and significant changes in front:rear axle downforce proportions with car speed.

With the front wing and diffuser much more sensitive to ride height than the rear or beam wings... your kinda limited as to what you can play with to maintain an aero-balance.


*hence the hot/cold blowing the teams were utilising. If those avenues to the teams are gone, then we're back to 1998, when Ferrari lifted the exhausts to reduce the diffuser sensitivity to throttle.

[Byronrhys]

Look, picture from above:



What is there that vaguely looks like whats being "reflected"? Not to mention that for something to be reflected on that angle of the rear wing, it would have to be behind the car. I don´t think those are reflections at all!

It has a lot more t do with light and the angle it was taken from than positioning of the parts, it wouldn't have to be behind the car..think of it as a mirror and it makes more sense. I think its a reflection.

[Adrian Newby]

@ Kilcoo:

Here ya go. Fantastic pic of the exhaust and the diffuser sealing area posted by Rikhart shows exactly where the exhaust comes out and where they intend for it to go:



The exhaust comes out on the corner of the sidepod. It is obvious that at cornering speeds it is aimed at the notch in front of the gap for the rear tire.

It is equally obvious that the exhaust will not make it there at higher speeds due to being blown farther aft. And that it will instead be blown on top of the bridge instead of alongside it.

This is your proof. I am not making this stuff up. It is in this photo for all to see.

Of course, there is no one so blind as those who will not see...

[hollowBallistix]

it's amazing how many technical "experts" are seeing mysterious items when all they are is reflections ion paint work, there are no slots in the rear wings, it's forbbided in the rules.

what your seeing is more than likely reflections of the suspention components & beam wing, here are some images to illustrate my point....








1st pic is just an iso view of the rear wing assembly

2nd pic is from behind with no render done, so looks as if there's no slot in the wing

3rd pic is from the same viewpoint but rendered to show reflections, can easily see the beam wing being reflected

[Crucial_Xtreme]

The latest technical analysis from Gary Anderson suggests that Red Bull are not trying to get the exhaust to the diffuser.

"The exhaust is as far forward as the rules allow, and if the team was aiming to get an effect on the rear brake-duct area or floor, then that's a long, long way forward. There has been some interest in a duct in the floor, with some believing the team is trying to direct exhaust flow into the diffuser for aerodynamic benefit, but that's quite a hard thing to achieve and is probably not the primary aim.
The amount of airflow between the front wheels and the end of those tailpipes at top speed is horrendous when the car is doing 60-70 meters per second, so to get that high velocity air to concentrate on something particular is very difficult.
I think the aim is to cause the minimum inconvenience to airflow and allow the team to maximise the basic car package. If you can get good airflow around the rear coke-bottle area of the car and to the aerodynamic vanes on the brake-ducts, as well as energize that flow with exhaust gasses, that will provide a significant benefit."