2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

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1lifeliveit wrote: Maybe we should reserve this judgement till later?! In Canada they took a risky punt (High DF) hoping for rain. The position they are in at the moment, they have to take such risks. If the rain did come, it would have been a "masterstroke" by McLaren.
Again, I'm no expert but doesnt low DF setups wreck tyres in the corners due to wheel spin? If already they were having problems switching on their tyres due to cold temperatures, low DF would have made it worse. It will be interesting to see what they do in Baku though where its going to be dry.
Yes I guess I am prematurely judging them seeing as they still could introduce something for this race! Wheel spin would cause excessive surface temperatures and it does seem to be a general consensus that cars with lower downforce would experience higher tyre wear. I don't really understand this way of thinking though because a car will only slide excessively if it is "over driven", and even a car with high downforce can be driven far beyond its limit of grip. I do think that this limit is a much finer line with a car that has low downforce however. For example the 2012 Sauber was extremely kind to its tyres and it didn't have nearly as much downforce as the top teams, so it seems that suspension geometry and setup are far more important?
diffuser wrote: Now look at what you've done ! We've been happy with you till now !!! :lol:

I don't know if it is true, this is just my opinion.

Part of my thinking is because of a lack of power they can't benefit from a high downforce(HDF) package. I think they run a kind of LDF package all the time.
If you're gonna create LDF and HDF packages, it takes cycles in the wind tunnel. They could have chosen to spend that time on a more mainstream package to catch up to the other teams.
Hahaha just playing devils advocate to previous things I've read on the thread :mrgreen:

I 100% agree on the cycles point! I am no expert in aerodynamics but just by looking at the chord length and AoA of their rear wing it seems as if it should produce more downforce than the low downforce configurations brought by other teams such as Torro Rosso. And as I understand it there is not too much scope for massive development in the rear wing because of the tight regulations in that area (excluding the end plates?). This does lead me to question whether McLaren really are running a LDF package because surely the rear wing is the first thing you would trim down on? What visually suggests that they do go for a generally lower downforce package compared to Torro Rosso for example?

Just trying to figure out why it is thought that McLaren "purposely" run LDF :mrgreen: :D

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I´m glad they don´t use LDF pachages, that means they´re focused on different things than extracting the last thousand of a package, so I guess they must be more worried about developing and fully understanding the whole package before trying to extract the last thoushand

Or maybe it´s just that I´m an obsessive optimistic :mrgreen:

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Eric said after practice 1 in Baku that they were running better on HDF setup than LDF.
I suppose there's the trade-off. Run HDF and get better laptime, but be sitting ducks on the straight in the race OR run LDF, qualify lower and hope to overtake a few cars. You can see their dilemma.
However, whichever choice they make, someone in the forum would argue why they didnt go the other way!! #-o

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@Andres125sx: Well they at least tried a low DF Rear Wing today on Fernandos Car.
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speed trap

alonso 348 km/h button 346

best: bottas 351 ....mercedes 345 and 347

all others 340 <

Mad
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ollandos wrote:speed trap

alonso 348 km/h button 346

best: bottas 351 ....mercedes 345 and 347

all others 340 <
The chassis must be something, reaching 348 even without a good PU.

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Redragon
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When there is something possitive is the chassis when is negative is Honda!! Perhaps the updates in PU are working well too.

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Redragon wrote:When there is something possitive is the chassis when is negative is Honda!! Perhaps the updates in PU are working well too.
Oh boy, I couldn't agree more. Sometimes I'm so tired of those unfounded blame games.

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Sayeman
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Commentators are saying that the Renault is running out of electric energy faster than Honda on the long straight, maybe the new TC update is working.
Never Give up.

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Mad wrote:
ollandos wrote:speed trap

alonso 348 km/h button 346

best: bottas 351 ....mercedes 345 and 347

all others 340 <
The chassis must be something, reaching 348 even without a good PU.
its 3rd best chassis. :mrgreen:
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Sunday will be painful, even the mighty Ferrari PUs can't keep up with the Mercs
Never Give up.

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Sayeman wrote:Commentators are saying that the Renault is running out of electric energy faster than Honda on the long straight, maybe the new TC update is working.
who are the commentators?
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Sayeman wrote:Commentators are saying that the Renault is running out of electric energy faster than Honda on the long straight, maybe the new TC update is working.
Just a thought, if the compressor is reletive small, so the big turbo (the hot side) keeps running the MGU-H which feeds the MGU-K. A small compressor then would be an advantage with such a long straight and the max fuel flow.

hemichromis
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ollandos wrote:speed trap

alonso 348 km/h button 346

best: bottas 351 ....mercedes 345 and 347

all others 340 <
Surprising.

Renault are clipping halfway down the main straight so they will stop accelerating at that point but Honda just keep going.

Maybe on a 3 mile drag strip they could topple Mercedes??

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They must have the rear wing almost flat, running ultralow downforce. So the twisty part is relying mostly on the cars mechanical grip and it looks really good for McLaren.