Ferrari F2012

[bhall]

The 100mm rule is the relevant one in this case.

Indeed. I was answering a different question.

(It seems I'm ignored here in much the same way I'm ignore by most women. At least life is consistent.)

[avatar]

argh why don't they ditch that bloody wide exhaust cover... it looks idiotic and is blocking airflow to the rear... -.-

I think it's their primary Rad cooling exit, they'd need quite a few changes to ditch it; going for the cannon exit may screw with the engine cover/packaging as there's no duct in there at the moment....

[ell66]

I get the feeling that ferrari tried to make an extreme/different car just for the sake of it, instead of going down the routes they know well. There car last year was hardly bad, and take away the exhaust advantage that RB and Mcl had and you'd have a close battle, this year smacks of desperation to me, although im sure they'l get it together and score podiums and maybe a win, but the championship looks gone before its even began.

[raymondu999]

Well like I said when they started saying the 2012 car was "aggressive" - Pat Fry's got a somewhat-rubbish record with "aggressive" cars

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

For me, all their problem it's due to wind tunnel. They don't have any faith to their wind tunnel.

In 2010, all their updates works perfectly, it's like the EBD was made for their car, same for the F duct.

Then, they upgrade their wind tunnel at 60%, and since, all updates failed badly. At Spa last year, they had a big upgrade, it's fail and they had to race with the F150 Hungary spec until the end of the season.

Perhaps they need to demolish their wind tunnel and build an another..

[bhall]

I get the feeling that ferrari tried to make an extreme/different car just for the sake of it, instead of going down the routes they know well.

Aside from the pull rod front suspension, there's no one thing that's overly aggressive on the F2012. For example, F2012's exhaust philosophy is exactly the same as that of the RB8 and Sauber C31; it's just not implemented as well.

It's the number of changes Ferrari has made that is aggressive. Combined with yet more correlation problems, there's simply too much about this car that Ferrari doesn't understand.

[Pup]

In Pat Fry's defense, 'aggressive' cars in general have a poor success record, regardless of the designer. But sometimes you've got to change the game.

But I do think that his inclination is toward complexity. I'd always wondered when he was at McLaren if their complex programs were his doing, or if he was actually the one who was able to take all the varied ideas and wring a car out of them. But given the F2012's complexity this year, contrasted to the MP4-27's surprising simplicity, I'd have to say it looks like he was the cause rather than the solution.

While I don't know exactly how the technical director's job works, I imagine that in the course of designing a car, just like in designing anything else, there are multiple ideas and directions that each team wants to take things, and it's his job more often than not to say 'no' rather than 'yes'. Perhaps Fry is just bad at saying 'no'.

[bhall]

Pit stop practice.

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Article 4: Weight

4.5 Adding during the race :

With the exception of compressed gases, no substance may be added to the car during the race. If it becomes necessary to replace any part of the car during the race, the new part must not weigh any more than the original part.

So, is the man with the hose just topping off the tank for the pneumatic valves, or is he doing something clever like raising or lowering the ride height?


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[Onch]

So, is the man with the hose just topping off the tank for the pneumatic valves, or is he doing something clever like raising or lowering the ride height?

Looks like refilling of the pneumatic system indeed.
Which is never a good sign, especially if the car itself *seems* to be lacking in performance... Last thing they need are engine issues.

Edit: actually this is probably just a rehearsal in case the need would ever arise during a race.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Different RW's used today.

[bhall]

Edit: actually this is probably just a rehearsal in case the need would ever arise during a race.

As far as I know, it's not all that uncommon to refill that bottle during a race.

[hardingfv32]

Edit: actually this is probably just a rehearsal in case the need would ever arise during a race.

As far as I know, it's not all that uncommon to refill that bottle during a race.

Where is the port in the pictures?

Brian

[Hail22]

This looks new?



New brake ducts with aero sensors?

and the quite large elipsal cuts under the suspension, could this possibly coming from the airbox (2nd behind main) and blowing out of here instead of the coke bottle?

Or impossible?

[Onch]

Edit: actually this is probably just a rehearsal in case the need would ever arise during a race.

As far as I know, it's not all that uncommon to refill that bottle during a race.

A few years back it was a rather common sight, mostly on the BMW's and Toyota's iirc.

However the tank is normally sized with a significant margin (enough other things can go wrong during a pit-stop). So if air consumption is high enough that the team needs to refill at pit-stops, there is always the risk that it goes out-of-control and that the engine will fail on track.
Also with refuelling ban, the time now available for refilling is now extremely short!

[Crucial_Xtreme]

This looks new?



New brake ducts with aero sensors?

and the quite large elipsal cuts under the suspension, could this possibly coming from the airbox (2nd behind main) and blowing out of here instead of the coke bottle?

Or impossible?

No they're the same as before. Brake duct is same as launch. The other piece was different in Jerez, not as shiny, but has been like that since BCN #1