2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[wiktor977]

Because Newey is in complete control of the 2026 car and is literally breathing, eating, and living at Aston Martin. Don't forget Cardile is coming too this summer.

I know that. All I am saying is that they clearly have problems with simulator/track correlation, for 2 seasons almost all updates are not working as they should.

Not doubting the correlation problems, and I have always been suspect of the value that simulators bring. As much as Alonso loves iRacing, even he doesn't spend much time in the simulator.

The new wind tunnel was never used on the 2025 car. A lot could turn around next season. Not sure if Andy Cowell is BSing the media, but he feels the new wind tunnel is a huge improvement over the one in Brackley.

I meant CFD simulation, sorry.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Do we just accept we're the worst team or put resources on this car, realistically the only solution would be a spec B version but we wouldn't do that with the new regs next year.

They already made a decision last winter. They had the option to change the concept of the car or try to make the AM24 easier to drive as they are confident they can extract performance form it.

The first option is expensive in terms of resources so knowing that it is the last season of this regulation they opted going all in for 26 and chose less expensive solution by pursuing the improving of the AMR24 with a more predictable base and 100% aerodynamic new car (as per Cowell saying).

Last week reports indicated that Mondays with Lawrence at the factory are absolute hell so good luck to everyone in the team tomorrow as the initial plan is not going as they planned in the winter.

Imola looks far for Aston at moment.

It would be 12 weeks from when Newey Started. 4 weeks to design a New floor, 8 weeks to manufacture?

They said ,come between Italy and Spain so end of may or first week of June

[KimiRai]

Personally I don't feel like saying anything. Dan Fallows said enough for me.

[Nikosar]

When asked if Newey should also work on the 2025 car, Krack replied, "I don’t know. It’s something that, again, it's a resource split. He has started quite late for the 2025 car, and the concentration is on 2026."

Which direction should they focus on for 2026, It's not worth investing time if they’re not fighting for anything in 2025.

But considering the engineering talent, budget, facilities, and driver line-up, it’s honestly shocking that Aston Martin appears to be one of the slowest teams. It really raises questions about what’s happening at their facility.

Let’s hope they can bring an upgrade for Imola to at least show some progress. After all, Haas, with only half the resources, managed to build a faster car

ALONSO radio yesterday, Race engineer : “We are P15 and Ocon is behind on 5 lap old hards” ALONSO : “it’s ok don’t worry, we are not in the race”

Even the race engineer should have seen it, not sure what he was aiming to say to ALONSO, to defend on P15 ?

[diffuser]

Personally I don't feel like saying anything. Dan Fallows said enough for me.

ROFL

[diffuser]

When asked if Newey should also work on the 2025 car, Krack replied, "I don’t know. It’s something that, again, it's a resource split. He has started quite late for the 2025 car, and the concentration is on 2026."

Which direction should they focus on for 2026, It's not worth investing time if they’re not fighting for anything in 2025.

But considering the engineering talent, budget, facilities, and driver line-up, it’s honestly shocking that Aston Martin appears to be one of the slowest teams. It really raises questions about what’s happening at their facility.

Let’s hope they can bring an upgrade for Imola to at least show some progress. After all, Haas, with only half the resources, managed to build a faster car

ALONSO radio yesterday, Race engineer : “We are P15 and Ocon is behind on 5 lap old hards” ALONSO : “it’s ok don’t worry, we are not in the race”

Even the race engineer should have seen it, not sure what he was aiming to say to ALONSO, to defend on P15 ?

Alonso said that several times during the race. I think at one point Norris was coming and the engineer said "Norris has just change hist tires and is coming from behind, I don't think we should fight with him." ...Alonso “it’s ok don’t worry, Man, we are not in the race”.

Alonso has nothing to prove to management but the engineer still has to do his job and prove to management he can execute.

[diffuser]

Whoever said there is nothing to race for in 2025... Below, there was $50 million dollar difference in prize money in 2024 from finishing 5th to finishing last. That's a 3ird of the budget.

[KimiRai]

spanish news source says Newey has not and will not work on the AMR25.

https://www.relevo.com/formula1/adrian- ... 17-nt.html

[TyreSlip]

Whoever said there is nothing to race for in 2025... Below, there was $50 million dollar difference in prize money in 2024 from finishing 5th to finishing last. That's a 3ird of the budget.

https://www.the-race.com/content/images ... -Money.jpg

I also agree that there is something to race for in 2025, but it's not to do well. 5th to last is an extra 300 wind tunnel hours each half year. That's a 28% increase in time for Newey to experiment his ideas.

[TyreSlip]

spanish news source says Newey has not and will not work on the AMR25.

https://www.relevo.com/formula1/adrian- ... 17-nt.html

It's the same flawed chassis design as last year with a new body on it. Why would Newey want to waste his time trying to put lipstick on a pig? Plus, with the addition of expanding departments to design a new gearbox and rear suspension from scratch, the team is going to need room in the budget to develop these items for 2026.

Only 20 more races of suffering everyone. If you're an Alonso fan, you should be used to him driving junk.

[Nikosar]

If we can have a good news, Gioacchino Vino joined Aston Martin as head of aerodynamics. He was at Mercedes between 2018 and 2022.

But I doubt he will work on the AMR25.

[diffuser]

spanish news source says Newey has not and will not work on the AMR25.

https://www.relevo.com/formula1/adrian- ... 17-nt.html

I remember the direct quote where I think someone over heard a conversation between Alonso and Stroll. Alonso asked Lawrence if Newey was going to work on the 2025 car. Lawrence's response to Alonso was "Adrian's contract states that we can't tell him what to work on, he decides." Basically we need to ask Adrian. Think that article is trying to tell us what he will do on past experience of a car in AMR25 situation. The reality is it's just an attempt at a educated guess.


Imola is a long time to wait for an upgrade when you consider that testing ended on the 28th of February, Imola will be 14 weeks from the end of testing. What has the factory done since ? An F1 factory is setup to work on 2 cars at the same time(2 projects). I think the 2026 project is probably very advanced in that Bell had been working on it for over a year, all be it with small amount of staff. Newey knew the regs going in and since the AMR26 is basically a blank canvas, he could have come in with a plan for 2026.

My point is, they are either:
1 - Waiting for Newey
1a - When Newey arrived, he told them to give up on the year.
1b - Newey gave them direction
or
2 - They've given up on the year.

[FNTC]

I can understand that Newey doesn't want anything to do with the AMR25 if he thinks it crap, but they still need to prove they can make upgrades that work, if not 2026 will be hopeless even with Newey.

[diffuser]

I can understand that Newey doesn't want anything to do with the AMR25 if he thinks it crap, but they still need to prove they can make upgrades that work, if not 2026 will be hopeless even with Newey.

Why would Newey think he needs to prove that? I don't remember an upgrade that Newey was involved in that didn't work.

Wonder if we'll see Newey at Imola in green.

[Xyz22]

It doesn't make any sense for Newey to work on this car. The goal is to win the championship, not to finish in the points.