The most dominant car in F1 history? The numbers..

[Nando]

As you say in your quote, reliability matters. Thus if a car is spending more time in the garage then winning races, taking poles, fastest laps it can´t exactly be called dominant.

Yeah, but I think if you only look at the car's first season, then even accounting for reliability, the car still makes the list.

I looked at Wiki which states all the races the car has done.

same with the FW14 which did more then one season.

[gold333]

Are you guys talking about FW14 or FW14B?

The B was the dominant one.

[Nando]

Are you guys talking about FW14 or FW14B?

The B was the dominant one.

What was changed on the car from 91 to 92?

Just thought why they did not change it to FW15 if it were a new car.

[Sombrero]

Ferrari 500F2 did not win the Indy GP in 1952 so it's 7 wins out of 8 GP.

There were 6 different Lotus type 72 ! The winning one were

Lotus 72C : 12 GP and 5 wins
Lotus 72D : 23 GP and 7 wins
Lotus 72E : 39 GP and 8 wins

Lotus 77 : 16 GP and 1 win (John Player Team Lotus)
Lotus 78 : 33 GP and 7 wins (John Player Team Lotus and Team Rebaque)
Lotus 79 : 26 GP and 6 wins (John Player Team Lotus and Team Rebaque)

There's one car, the Brabham BT46B-Alfa Roméo that was truly 100% successul.
One race and one win : GP Sweden 1978 Anderstoorp with King Rat Niki Lauda.

[markp]

Ferrari 500 was an f2 car but won f1 title 2 years in a row and was only car to win every race in a season.

[gold333]

Are you guys talking about FW14 or FW14B?

The B was the dominant one.

What was changed on the car from 91 to 92?

Just thought why they did not change it to FW15 if it were a new car.

The 14 improved greatly towards the end of 1991. In the last few races it was a much better car than the MP4/6.

For 1992 the 14B was the same car but it had active suspension added to it.

Being the only active car on the grid in 1992 it blew everyone away.

That's why the FW15 (which was already available mid 1992) Williams never bothered to use it in 1992.

That's why when the 15 finally did get used (in 1993) it was already upto the C version.

[elf341]

The FW14B was crazily dominant, and - typical for Newey - it was an immense qualifier. At Silverstone, Mansell was 2.7 seconds faster in qualifying than the nearest other car (Senna, P3)!!

[Nando]

So in terms of pure pace in relation to the competitors, the FW14B-FW15C was the most dominant cars of all time?

Wasn´t it like seconds in difference per lap?

[rjsa]

But both the FW14 andFW15 where beaten on track, and by that I mean not winning with both cars finishing. The only race the MP4/4 didn't win neither Pros nor Senna crossed the line.

[simieski]

I would think the Mercedes silver arrows would be worthy of some acknowledgement in this thread

[Nando]

But both the FW14 andFW15 where beaten on track, and by that I mean not winning with both cars finishing. The only race the MP4/4 didn't win neither Pros nor Senna crossed the line.

Yes i know i just ment in the sense of raw one lap speed.

So just in that sense and not in the overall most dominant car of all time.

[PlatinumZealot]

The F2002 had a Win-rate of 78.9%
The F2002 had a Qual-rate of 57.8%
The F2002 had a Fastlap-rate of 78.9%
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The F2004 had a Win-rate of 75%
The F2004 had a Qual-rate of 60%
the F2004 had a Fastlap-rate of 70%
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The RB6 had a Win-rate of 47.3%
The RB6 had a Qual-rate of 78.9%
The RB6 had a Fastlap-rate of 31.5%
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The RB7 had a Win-rate of 63.1%
The RB7 had a Qual-rate of 94.7%
The RB7 had a Fastlap-rate of 52.6%
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The FW14 had a Win-rate of 53.1%
The FW14 had a Qual-rate of 65.6%
The FW14 had a Fastlap-rate of 59.3%
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The FW15 had a Win-rate of 62.5%
The FW15 had a Qual-rate of 93.75%
The FW15 had a Fastlap-rate of 62.5%
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The MP4/4 had a Win-rate of 93,75%
The MP4/4 had a Qual-rate of 93,75%
The MP4/4 had a Fastlap-rate of 62,5%



Edit: needs more cars since i made a mistake with calling the F2002 the most dominant car.

Interesting data. One can say it shows that the Ferrari 2002 was set up for outright race pace. Reminds of the disgusting race pace of the Brawns in 2009. Those cars were qualifying on 60kg of fuel and still demolishing everybody else in Q3(up on until mid season). But boy, I really like when a car is set up for the race - like a freight train gathering momentum.

[Belatti]

But both the FW14 andFW15 where beaten on track, and by that I mean not winning with both cars finishing.

Thats what happens when some of the best cars of all time race against one of the best drivers of all time

Regarding the threads tittle, MP4/4 no doubt...

ps: I think the Lotus 79 rate calculation is not fair (adding Rebaques to it is like adding Toro Rossos to the RB7 rates)

[Belatti]

BTW, what are the rates for the 95 Benetton?

[donskar]

I'm a Tifosi, but how can you vote against the McLaren that won EVERY RACE BUT ONE. (Beaten by Ferrari, naturally! LOL)

In terms of dominant influence, try the Lotus 49 and 72 (as well as the original mono Lotus, can't remember its number)