2014 Engine yin yang

[GitanesBlondes]

And it would not surprise me in the slightest that the perpetrators behind the story are the ones with the most to lose in this new era, the ones that are dominating now.

Could you please be a little bit more specific...who do you mean are this prepetrators?

Whomever at MHPE still has a direct hotline to AMuS.

[dren]

An efficiency difference with the ICE between 30% and 35% is close to 100hp. I expected 50hp variances, but 100hp isn't too unbelievable. If you assume everyone will utilize the max 160hp for the MGUK, the performance differences will boil down to ICE efficiency and fuel type.

[xpensive]

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The original quote is from Tobias Gruner of AMuS and he explicitly mentioned the 100 hp figure. You can expect people at that publication to know what they are talking about. It is the biggest motoring publication in Europe.

That must be one of the most preposterous statement ever on F1T, an AMuS journo who knows what he's talking about,
isn't that the magazine where one Norbert Haug began his career?

[marcush.]

An efficiency difference with the ICE between 30% and 35% is close to 100hp. I expected 50hp variances, but 100hp isn't too unbelievable. If you assume everyone will utilize the max 160hp for the MGUK, the performance differences will boil down to ICE efficiency and fuel type.

so what technology would yield such a dramtic jump in efficiency EXCLUSIVE to Daimlers Combustion specialists? Didn´t we conclude not long ago it was virtually impossible to make any significant gains with the restricted engine designs of todays formula 1?
It´s not like Ferrari and Renault lived in the forest of Panama recently so you can bet any technology available these days is very well known and studied by all of them ...Mind you Renault and Daimler are already collaborating on development projects big time ...
It´s not like renault ,Ferrari and Mercedes are at 31,32 and 32% today and Mercedes holds the key to another 3 % on top of that not using it to keep the competitors in the dark...

[dren]

Renault and Daimler have been collaborating on the co-development of their F1 engines to save costs. They flipped a Panamanian balboa coin to see who would get more hp, but they did it in Italy, right under Ferrari's nose.

[marcush.]

maybe my choice of words was wrong ,but in essence there is no reason to believe the contemporary powertrain developers in Formula 1 are not playing on the same level of technology.
Additionally to this the set of rules todays and in future are really written as a spec formula ,the corners are pretty much set in stone so it really comes down to detaildesign and advanced technology ,which is more or less outlawed ..
it´s the wrong thread anyways...

[Mika1]

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The original quote is from Tobias Gruner of AMuS and he explicitly mentioned the 100 hp figure. You can expect people at that publication to know what they are talking about. It is the biggest motoring publication in Europe.

That must be one of the most preposterous statement ever on F1T, an AMuS journo who knows what he's talking about,
isn't that the magazine where one Norbert Haug began his career?

Nothing wrong with Auto Motor und Sport, this is a rumour obviously, but their technical analyses are very impressive. If Auto Motor und Sport isn't a good source, then 95% of the F1 media is terrible, but that's another discussion.

I think Mercedes will have a good engine for 2014, I guess Lewis have seen the engine and he was impressed.

[marcush.]

Media in Germany are firmly in the hands of a few -Bertelsmann and Springer and to even think AMus is indipedant in any ways is complete nonsense and hilarious .
These papers serve a purpose -selling the product - as this will bring in big money through advertising and in all that you will never find much room for anything controversial when it comes to being a pain for Daimler,Porsche etc no good stories no information ,no adverts it´s as basic and blunt.

[FoxHound]

And it would not surprise me in the slightest that the perpetrators behind the story are the ones with the most to lose in this new era, the ones that are dominating now.

Could you please be a little bit more specific...who do you mean are this prepetrators?

The ones that have a history of it.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/08/10/s ... ised-poll/

http://grandprix247.com/2010/03/19/horn ... erc-power/

http://f1times.co.uk/news/display/02363

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/26484.html

And the real reason why they make such claims...
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/29692.html

Can you imagine Mercedes, McLaren or Ferrari asking Red bull to de-tune their aero package?

[SectorOne]

A slump of extra rubber can´t be wrong so welcome back wide rears...

It seems they want them to be slightly bigger too in diameter, a throwback to the golder years

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This is an answer i got from a guy working in the engine department for the new 2014 unit regarding if the total package will produce more horepower then the total package of today.

I have the honour of having worked there the last few years and I'm still in my 20's! Btw it is very hard work ive done a fair few weeks of 60 to 65 hours last few weeks which has been a killer!

I'm afraid I can't say any more on the matter, or I would no longer be working for Mercedes! I'm sure more has been said in various articles in autosport and other publications but I think its best I say nothing on the matter, sorry!

Hope you can understand!

Edit: This isn´t a real quote anymore, edited by a mod because he never thought about asking first but instead just assumed.

Tried to squeeze something out of him but no luck

[xpensive]

I still believe there will be variations in power next year, however far from 100 Hp, but the difference between a 34% efficient engine with 46 MJ/kg fuel and a 35% such with 47 MJ/kg juice is actually 22.5 kW or 31 Hp at a 27.8 g/s flow.

Think about it

[Richard]

By popular request - I've created this thread to avoid the 2014 engine thread getting clogged with ying yang, and also to allow the team threads can focus on the 2013 season.

IMHO any talk of horsepower at this stage is propaganda, either PR spin or deliberate misinformation.

[Vegetabill]

I agree it is clearly too early to tell who will have the best power train and the most 'useable' horsepower. I also find it difficult to believe anyone is surprised Mercedes are asking for more rear rubber due to the characteristics of the W02, 03 and 04. The teams will also be losing a lot of rear downforce in comparison to front.

[xpensive]

This is terrific, a 2014 engine-thread without stoichiometric goobleygook and enthalpy elaborations, thanks Richard!

Let's hope it stays that way, so that we can have more than three or four posters in the loop!

I would suspect that these power xaggarations are all about marketing, with the gargantuan development-cost of the turbos,
the engine builders needs as many customers as they can get just to brake even, which teams are still undecided anyway?

[wuzak]

which teams are still undecided anyway?

Last I looked, just Lotus.

Ferrari, Sauber, Marussia - Ferrari
Mercedes, McLaren, Williams, Force India - Mercedes
RBR, STR, Caterham - Renault

Leaving Lotus, who will probably stay with Renault.