Pulled the Plug on F1

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flmkane
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flmkane wrote: If your favorite team aint winning, then get a new favorite team.
Here I disagree. You don't just switch allegiances like that. Though what helps me through tough years (and Mercedes has had a lot, both with their own team as well as with McLaren or Sauber before that) was to pick drivers that I like or smaller teams that I like and rooting for them. For example, I really developed some kind of affection for both Sauber and Force India and whenever they do well, that makes me happy :D[/quote]

Well... I was being sarcastic. Sick of the Red Bull and Ferrari fans frothing at the mouth.

Personally I've given up having favorites drivers and teams. I just enjoy the action now. Much less annoying.

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flmkane wrote:Personally I've given up having favorites drivers and teams. I just enjoy the action now. Much less annoying.
My enjoyment of the sport increased exponentially after I grew out of the need to unconditionally idolise one particular driver or team. I highly recommend it.
Not the engineer at Force India

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thomin wrote:Well, I can certainly see your point. However, for me the appeal of F1 is twofold: Racing and Technology. Just as I love to see excellence in driving, I love to see excellence in engineering. These are competing goals but that's what makes F1 so special.

I do love the technology. However, I can follow the technology through this forum as well as others...SHOUT OUT TO SCARBS. To spend my hard earned money to watch boring races however is something else entirely. I do believe that high tech engineering can take place within the confines of a budget. I'll go a step farther and suggest that within budgetary constraints, the most clever engineers will get the most from their bankroll. The big teams would not be able to spend their way to to top, they would actually have to think their way to the top. This would certainly be less contrived than DRS and wonky tires.

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SiLo wrote:. That was one of the most exciting races I've watched for a long time.
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And if that's true, that only points to what a sorry state F1 has fallen into.

Most of what you're calling exciting is contrived not real racing.
To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
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thomin wrote:Well, I can certainly see your point. However, for me the appeal of F1 is twofold: Racing and Technology. Just as I love to see excellence in driving, I love to see excellence in engineering. These are competing goals but that's what makes F1 so special.
Very much agreed with this point.

I don't see why it really matters who the battles are between, as long as there are exciting battles. For the constructors yes, but as long as the drivers goes down to the wire with exciting racing, its all good!

Paying a lot of money to watch it however is something that I really can't get on board with.
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strad wrote: Most of what you're calling exciting is contrived not real racing.
All motor racing is contrived because it is controlled by rules. :roll: Even "back in the good old days" the rules limited what could and couldn't be done.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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Grief...Give me a friggin break.
Rules as to engine size or blown or unblown is hardly the same as DRS etc.
What we have today is phoney crontrived push to pass crap.
To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
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Beats the alternative Trulli train any day of the week!
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Honestly, if you can't see F1 as an enjoyable pursuit after the last race, then sorry, but yes, it's probably time for you to find another sport.

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beelsebob wrote:Honestly, if you can't see F1 as an enjoyable pursuit after the last race, then sorry, but yes, it's probably time for you to find another sport.
yes please, they should find another sport and stop their complaining on F1technical.
Winning is the most important. Everything is consequence of that. Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.-Ayrton Senna

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that's the best you can come up with? Blame the messenger? :lol:
I have earned the right to bitch all I want.
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strad wrote:that's the best you can come up with? Blame the messenger? :lol:
I have earned the right to bitch all I want.
You're not the messenger. You're the consumer, blaming the messenger would be blaming Sky/the BBC etc for F1's failings. Look, I'm not denying that there's failings, but honestly, the race at the weekend was one of the single best F1 races I've ever seen. We had expertly driven fighting over several laps for the lead, we had fighting for all of the mid placed positions, and we had an unknown result right up until the chequered flag.

The only thing that could possibly have made this better would be if Mercedes had slightly less of a lead over the rest of the field, so that one team were not near guaranteed the win.

I struggle to remember a single F1 race as good as this, and honestly, if you can name one, I'd be amazed.

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My only problem with this season is that getting lucky on engine performance is allowing some teams to outperform teams who did a better job on their chassis. If we had last years motors(or any motors that didn't confer a huge advantage on lucky teams), Red Bull and Merc would be nec and neck with Ferrari almost just as quick. We need some sort of push button boost from the mgu-k.
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Pierce89 wrote:My only problem with this season is that getting lucky on engine performance is allowing some teams to outperform teams who did a better job on their chassis. If we had last years motors(or any motors that didn't confer a huge advantage on lucky teams), Red Bull and Merc would be nec and neck with Ferrari almost just as quick. We need some sort of push button boost from the mgu-k.
I think that could be said for all of the last few seasons. RedBull had an insurmountable lead in managing to make the exhaust gas work, and an insurmountable lead (the rules banned changing the engines or mappings enough to make any progress) in producing that gas.

We just have a different team benefiting (by a larger margin) from the rules freezing engine development.

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Look beelsebob, If you wanna say it was a good race, fine,,,If ya wanna say it was the best in the last two seasons,,,Fine.. but to say ""the race at the weekend was one of the single best F1 races I've ever seen""" , that's either pure hyperbole or says you have been watching a much shorter time than I thought.
I tell ya,,,I open my files, at random I click on one...'79 Monza...not a great race but better than Bahrain '14 in my opinion
To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
Sir Stirling Moss