2014 Brazilian Grand Prix - São Paulo

[komninosm]

Will Kvyatt be carrying over a 7 place penalty from Austin. I make it qualified 14 but started 17 on the grid and he should have been taking a 10 place penalty? (the 10 place penalty now seems a bit harsh with 4 cars missing off the grid!)

The 10 (and more if you change more parts) seems a bit harsh no matter what. It's frankly ridiculous that you could theoretically qualify on pole, start last, and then still carry a penalty into the next race (even with a full grid).

since when are those penalties carried over?

[dmjunqueira]

And to a German, the title says the race will take place at "Pig Paulo".

Thats because the title is wrong...The correct name of the city is "São Paulo" (in reference of the catholic St. Paul).

2014 Brazilian Grand Prix - Sau Paulo

OP (prince), please correct it to São Paulo.

[Moose]

Will Kvyatt be carrying over a 7 place penalty from Austin. I make it qualified 14 but started 17 on the grid and he should have been taking a 10 place penalty? (the 10 place penalty now seems a bit harsh with 4 cars missing off the grid!)

The 10 (and more if you change more parts) seems a bit harsh no matter what. It's frankly ridiculous that you could theoretically qualify on pole, start last, and then still carry a penalty into the next race (even with a full grid).

since when are those penalties carried over?

Since that's what the rules say about engine change penalties. That's why Vettel ate a pit lane start rather than one of these insane penalties.

[spin1/2]

What will the 'mysterious' Interlagos offer this time round?

Mysterious ways:

- 2001: JP Montoya leading after an amazing move on M. Schumacher, was going to get his first win in F1, but then got taken out after lapping Jos Verstappen.
- 2003: Torrential conditions, wrong tires and lots of drivers losing out. Red flagged due to huge crash by Webber and Alonso and stewards making a mistake by awarding the race win to the wrong driver.
- 2004: Surprise end of the season when JP Montoya managed to win his first race of the season. It was also his last race for Williams-BMW. In 2005 he moved to Mclaren-Mercedes.
- 2007: Lewis Hamilton leading the Drivers Championship, loses drive during the opening lap, drove a sensational comeback, but just wasn't enough to seal the WDC. Kimi, eventually stole the title from the Mclaren drivers.
- 2008: Hamilton becomes WDC at the last corner of the race, because Glock loses any form of grip due to a gamble
- 2012: Chaotic race with Vettel almost crashing out in the first lap, before driving a sensational comeback. Alonso did everything he could, but still couldn't win the WDC title. Changing conditions, a Force India fighting with the Mclaren's for the lead and Kimi sightseeing the other side of the barrier.

Could have mentioned a few other seasons, but these were in mind when it comes to mysterious ways. Don't just think it's all over. Interlagos is a spooky place to race on.

[Edax]

Just a minor point; Lewis can afford to get 3rd here and a 2nd place in Abu Dhabi would still be enough, tying them for points, but would win WDC on having more wins. (Nico win, Lewis 3rd would bring the gap that is now 24pt down to 14pt - and a 2nd place to Nico winning AbuDhabi would yield exactly the 14 point difference tying them for points).

Or put it the other way around. This is the first race that Nico has no control over the WDC anymore. As the cars are so far clear of the field, realistically he wil need a failure of Hamilton. It doesn't really matter whether he drives in front of or behind Hamilton.

So Hamilton doesn't really care whether he becomes 1st or 2nd and neither does Rosberg, Their main interest is not having a mechanical failure or an off.

Those do not seem ingredients for an exciting battle between those two.

[Richard]

If you take a game theory perspective, Rosberg is compelled to beat Hamilton but Hamilton only needs to shadow Rosberg.

Shadowing an opponent is common in sailing or pro road cycling, but it hasn't worked out too well in F1, ie Hamilton in China 07 and Alonso in Abu Dhabi 12. Hence expect both of them to go for the win and bank the points because they might need them in Abu Dhabi - remember Hamilton in Brazil 08?

[SiLo]

The car is so fast I can't really see anything other than a 1-2. I can see Roberg making a desperate move and taking them both out. I think if Hamilton is in front and Rosberg does get close, he should just let him go by and sit in 2nd.

[Just_a_fan]

They'll both be going for the win at each race. They're racers, first, and also they know that you take every point you can get whenever you can.

Rosberg will want to finish on as high a run as he can as will Hamilton. Winning by 1 point is enough. Winning by more is better.

[Juzh]

RB will rek williams here, and be closer to merc.

[dren]

RB will rek williams here, and be closer to merc.

Yup, especially since it will likely rain at some point.

[Shrieker]

Hamilton will be relaxed. Even a third place finish here will do. That should give him a clear psychological edge over Rosberg when they're going all out for the win.

[PlatinumZealot]

If you take a game theory perspective, Rosberg is compelled to beat Hamilton but Hamilton only needs to shadow Rosberg.

Shadowing an opponent is common in sailing or pro road cycling, but it hasn't worked out too well in F1, ie Hamilton in China 07 and Alonso in Abu Dhabi 12. Hence expect both of them to go for the win and bank the points because they might need them in Abu Dhabi - remember Hamilton in Brazil 08?

Alonso lost that championship by stupidly shadowed bad luck webber, who admitidly was the championship leader, to his own undoing. Tragic tragic race for me.

[PlatinumZealot]

RB will rek williams here, and be closer to merc.

Yup, especially since it will likely rain at some point.

Oh Yes. Redbull are a big threat on this track. The mercs will need to turn up the krakens to keep them at bay. The consequence is that someones engine is gonna blow... I hope it is not Lewis'.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

If you take a game theory perspective, Rosberg is compelled to beat Hamilton but Hamilton only needs to shadow Rosberg.

Shadowing an opponent is common in sailing or pro road cycling, but it hasn't worked out too well in F1, ie Hamilton in China 07 and Alonso in Abu Dhabi 12. Hence expect both of them to go for the win and bank the points because they might need them in Abu Dhabi - remember Hamilton in Brazil 08?

Your theory would make sense with small differences in pace between the teams and drivers. Hamilton had a fast car in 2007-2008, but not as fast as he has now.

10 laps and Hamilton and Rosberg have a massive gap every race so far this season. To finish P2 is easier than ever in this phenomenal car.

[ringo]

How many times will the mercedes overlap the backmarkers here?
That's one of the things in the back of my mind. Hitting back markers.