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Fernando Alonso's retirement as the Monaco Grand Prix was quickly forgotten when Jenson Button finished the race in 8th, scoring the first points for the renewed partnership between McLaren and Honda.
He isn't. It is the people that keep repeating that he isn't the new Senna, making it seem that other people keep saying that he is.TheGkbrk wrote:I can't understand why Verstappen is seen as a driverthat could be the new Senna, even though there were several drivers in recent years who made hoping debuts to their careers. I mean none of them are given such a potential. Giving a driver that title 'new Senna' is a huge thing and his performance so far is not really capable of carrying such a title.
Anyway, Merc victory but close fight between teammates and a surprisingly close field. I am hoping for a nice weekend for Mclaren. Can't wait to enjoy this race.
Not true Red Bull people were making Senna comparisons (as they did with Vettel, a pattern), Jr compared himself to Alonso and Toro Rosso engineer that conveniently didn't work with VettelPlatinumZealot wrote:He isn't. It is the people that keep repeating that he isn't the new Senna, making it seem that other people keep saying that he is.TheGkbrk wrote:I can't understand why Verstappen is seen as a driverthat could be the new Senna, even though there were several drivers in recent years who made hoping debuts to their careers. I mean none of them are given such a potential. Giving a driver that title 'new Senna' is a huge thing and his performance so far is not really capable of carrying such a title.
Anyway, Merc victory but close fight between teammates and a surprisingly close field. I am hoping for a nice weekend for Mclaren. Can't wait to enjoy this race.
made "best I've ever seen" very recently. So not "some people" but planned marketing by association. He's very young and has a lot of time.I guess the big deal is that he is 17 years old, and hanging in there pretty nicely.TheGkbrk wrote:I can't understand why Verstappen is seen as a driver that could be the new Senna, even though there were several drivers in recent years who made hoping debuts to their careers. I mean none of them are given such a potential. Giving a driver that title 'new Senna' is a huge thing and his performance so far is not really capable of carrying such a title.
his overtakes are nothing short of stunning taking in concideration he's indeed just 17 and a rookie. He's only raced single seaters last year for crying out loud. Take his start in the spanish gp versus raikkonen. this bloke has got the craft and skill that generaly only world champions have managed to master or atleast drivers with many F1 years under their belt. The guy is confident and calm and very much in control. Too bad their setup hampered their possibilities by a lot, they were sitting ducks on the straights, and on top of that, Max had a 'minor' tech issue during the race which cost him valuable time and speed at the moments he needed it the most.zeph wrote:I guess the big deal is that he is 17 years old, and hanging in there pretty nicely.TheGkbrk wrote:I can't understand why Verstappen is seen as a driver that could be the new Senna, even though there were several drivers in recent years who made hoping debuts to their careers. I mean none of them are given such a potential. Giving a driver that title 'new Senna' is a huge thing and his performance so far is not really capable of carrying such a title.
Vergne should be at Red Bull right now, Kyvat was not ready, he should still be at Torro Rosso with Verstappen.Nathanael F1 wrote:At first I was very skeptical about Verstappen getting the the Toro Rosso seat instead of Vergne, but now I think it was the right decision. Verstappen has driven very well these first few races.
So then where do you think Sainz should be? In one of the feeder series? Vergne already had 3 years at Toro Rosso, and he didn't really perform well enough to stay there.SilverArrow10 wrote:Vergne should be at Red Bull right now, Kyvat was not ready, he should still be at Torro Rosso with Verstappen.Nathanael F1 wrote:At first I was very skeptical about Verstappen getting the the Toro Rosso seat instead of Vergne, but now I think it was the right decision. Verstappen has driven very well these first few races.
Yes, wherever he was going to be before Vettel jumped ship. Red bulls original plan for 2015 was Vettel/Riccardo and Kyvat/Verstappen. It was only after Vettel left they started looking at other options. Its not the rookie's who im questioning its Kyvat moving to Red bull after only one year.Nathanael F1 wrote:So then where do you think Sainz should be? In one of the feeder series? Vergne already had 3 years at Toro Rosso, and he didn't really perform well enough to stay there.SilverArrow10 wrote:Vergne should be at Red Bull right now, Kyvat was not ready, he should still be at Torro Rosso with Verstappen.Nathanael F1 wrote:At first I was very skeptical about Verstappen getting the the Toro Rosso seat instead of Vergne, but now I think it was the right decision. Verstappen has driven very well these first few races.
I think F1 is very video game-like these days. Talent can be applied game to game (car to car) without much effort adaptation nor experience. For example once you can play one first person shooter you can play them all. F1 is not a large enough margin, so guys like Max, Naser and Will Stevens can jump in and be on the pace in a few laps. There is nothing out of the ordinary for them.zeph wrote:I guess the big deal is that he is 17 years old, and hanging in there pretty nicely.TheGkbrk wrote:I can't understand why Verstappen is seen as a driver that could be the new Senna, even though there were several drivers in recent years who made hoping debuts to their careers. I mean none of them are given such a potential. Giving a driver that title 'new Senna' is a huge thing and his performance so far is not really capable of carrying such a title.
Well, results dont say this. Verstappen is more spectacular but Sainz is very precise and fast too. I don't think that Verstappen is the new Senna, but following with this comparison I would say that Sainz drives more in the way that Prost did.PlatinumZealot wrote: Not to say that he is better than Carlos though. I think he is more talented but not anything out of this word.
I seriously don't think even Senna would have been Senna in the current world of Formula one. For instance, Today, it is impossible to beat your strong team mate to pole by a second. Today, you simply can't win a race because you are Senna if you are not in a race winning car. In the past though, there was a lot a Driver could have had impact on with their talent. So, it is foolish to compare the kid of this generation to great of older generation. Who knows, the kid is even better than Senna. But as long as he doesn't fight at the front, no one ever knows whether he is lesser, equal or better than Senna. What is good to see is the kid's car control and that he is not competing with Maldonado for the "Crashator" title.Vasconia wrote:I don't think that Verstappen is the new Senna,PlatinumZealot wrote: Not to say that he is better than Carlos though. I think he is more talented but not anything out of this word.
That is the thing. I really don't think it is a different beast anymore. The kiddies just aren't shocked and awed anymore. Fairly relaxed comments on the brakes and power is all you hear these days from the rookies.zeph wrote:With all due respect, I think the comparison to FPS makes no sense.
I'm not on the Verstappen-bandwagon, and frankly, Sainz has impressed me more. But ferchrissakes, the kid is not even allowed to drive yet, but here he is trading moves with the elite corps of racing drivers.
Sure, his well-connected father is a big factor in his ascendancy, and of course RedBull loves him for his marketing value as a poster child for their Junior Driver program. But he can hang, all the same, and that IS impressive.
From all accounts I have heard, F1 is really a different beast from the junior categories. You are the first person I have heard say otherwise. What are you basing your assertion on?
When Webber had his first drive of an F1 car around the turn of the millennium, he was in awe of its power and of the performance it was capable of — if the driver was up to the job.
“F1 cars should command more respect. When you warm one of them up in the garage for the first time it should be a case of ‘f***ing hell! I’ve made it to here and now I have to crack this final mission’.
“Talk to drivers who started in Formula 1 around the same time I did: we all came away from the first F1 test thinking ‘I’m not too sure about this,’ which is completely how it should be and that resonates with the fans.”
Agreed.PlatinumZealot wrote:That is the thing. I really don't think it is a different beast anymore. The kiddies just aren't shocked and awed anymore. Fairly relaxed comments on the brakes and power is all you hear these days from the rookies.zeph wrote:With all due respect, I think the comparison to FPS makes no sense.
I'm not on the Verstappen-bandwagon, and frankly, Sainz has impressed me more. But ferchrissakes, the kid is not even allowed to drive yet, but here he is trading moves with the elite corps of racing drivers.
Sure, his well-connected father is a big factor in his ascendancy, and of course RedBull loves him for his marketing value as a poster child for their Junior Driver program. But he can hang, all the same, and that IS impressive.
From all accounts I have heard, F1 is really a different beast from the junior categories. You are the first person I have heard say otherwise. What are you basing your assertion on?
I have the same sentiments as Mark Webber. F1 is just not a big enough step. Mark you, he thinks F1 should be fifteen seconds faster than anything else! haha... but I just think the step needs be be huge enough that Rookies pee their pants after the first lap.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport ... 7326862813
When Webber had his first drive of an F1 car around the turn of the millennium, he was in awe of its power and of the performance it was capable of — if the driver was up to the job.“F1 cars should command more respect. When you warm one of them up in the garage for the first time it should be a case of ‘f***ing hell! I’ve made it to here and now I have to crack this final mission’.
“Talk to drivers who started in Formula 1 around the same time I did: we all came away from the first F1 test thinking ‘I’m not too sure about this,’ which is completely how it should be and that resonates with the fans.”