Speed trap statistics

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marmer
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Re: Speed trap statistics

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Would a comparison of qualification speeds not be better. Although the data pool would be much smaller

All cars are using drs and most without getting a slip stream as they try and space each other out for best lap.

If you break it down into each round of qualification separating the teams that didn't make it to those that did as you have to assume the teams that failed must have been in fastest engine mode and tyres Top teams often save it for Q3
Then merge results back together assuming track conditions where about the same

TzeiTzei
TzeiTzei
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Re: Speed trap statistics

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Updated after German GP. Added qualifying as well. It's an average of top speeds at the speed trap for every GP so far in 2018.
F1 2018 QUALIFYING SPEED TRAP AVERAGE (AUS-GER)
					
1.  Force India-Mercedes	323,4	
2.  Ferrari			321,4	
3.  Mercedes			320,4	
4.  Haas-Ferrari		319,5	
5.  Sauber-Ferrari		319,5	
6.  Williams-Mercedes		317,5	
7.  Renault			317,1	
8.  Toro Rosso-Honda		316,1	
9.  Red Bull-Renault		316,0	
10. McLaren-Renault		313,9	
So at the front it's a mix of Mercedes and Ferrari powered cars. Nothing unsual about that except that Williams have struggled the whole season with their straight line speed, something that used to be their strength in the recent year. I think it has to be aero related. Could be issues with cooling or just having to run more downforce (and drag) to make the car more driveable. Haven't really followed them closely enough to know if they have said something about it. Renault and Honda powered cars create the next group, McLaren's struggles are visible here, and the qualifying speed trap data doesn't really look that much different to what it was last year with Honda power. Toro Rosso seems to be right up there with the RB and Renault, echoing Red Bull's statement that there isn't much of a gap between Renault and Honda PU.
F1 2018 QUALIFYING SPEED TRAP AVERAGE

				AUS-ESP	FRA-GER
Mercedes			322,8	323,8	+1,0
Force India-Mercedes		326,7	327,3	+0,6
Williams-Mercedes		319,3	321,8	+2,5
Ferrari				322,5	326,9	+4,4
Haas-Ferrari			322,1	323,2	+1,1
Sauber-Ferrari			320,6	323,9	+3,3
Renault				317,9	321,1	+3,2
Red Bull-Renault		318,0	319,2	+1,2
McLaren-Renault			315,1	317,4	+2,3
Toro Rosso-Honda		317,6	320,3	+2,7

Mercedes			322,9	324,3  	+1,4
Ferrari				321,7	324,6	+2,9
Renault				317,0	319,2	+2,2
Honda				317,6	320,3	+2,7
Here the qualifying speed trap data has been divided in to two groups: one for the first five GPs when everyone was running the original PU spec from the start of the season and one for the four races starting with the French GP when every engine manufacturer had introduced their second spec PUs. Sample sizes in these statistics are quite small, but I was interested to see we can make something out of this. Ferrari have certainly got a lot closer to Force India and the Ferrari customers are basically matching Mercedes. Renault and Honda have perhaps caught Mercedes a bit, but the biggest jump has been made by Ferrari.
				
F1 2018 RACE SPEED TRAP AVERAGE (AUS-GER)

				AVG	GER	GBR	AUT	FRA	CAN	MON	ESP	AUS-AZE				
1.  Force India-Mercedes	303,9	310,8 	302,1	295,2	305,4	314,6	282,5	310,2	305,4
2.  Mercedes			302,6	309,7	304,6	291,9	304,0	311,3	281,9	307,3	304,4
3.  Ferrari			301,5	307,9	307,1	297,4	304,6	311,1	283,9	304,9	299,9
4.  Sauber-Ferrari		301,1	306,8	302,2	294,7	304,5	310,7	283,6	308,6	300,2
5.  Haas-Ferrari		300,7	306,1	306,7	295,3	303,1	309,6	282,9	301,7	300,6
6.  Red Bull-Renault		299,2	303,9	301,0	287,5	310,1	307,2	276,8	303,6	300,4
7.  Williams-Mercedes		298,7	308,6	292,7	289,8	299,2	306,3	280,4	306,9	300,6
8.  Renault			297,3	305,4	296,5	288,8	300,8	310,2	282,3	299,9	296,6
9.  Toro Rosso-Honda		295,5	305,8	294,0	290,6	299,2	311,5	275,1	303,1	292,9
10. McLaren-Renault		295,0	303,4	293,8	281,9	299,0	304,3	279,5	297,5	296,3	
And here is the race speed trap average. There has to be a 2 second gap to the car in front for the speed on that lap to count. Compared to the one I posted after Azerbaijan, we can now see some changes. At the start of the season the race speed traps were dominated by Mercedes powered cars, followed by Ferrari, Renault and Honda powered cars. The order was actually surprisingly neat when remembering that Red Bull were a bit of an anomaly with their Bahrain performance. It has to be remembered that this is an average of the whole season so changes during the year don't have a big impact immediately. Still we can see that Ferrari powered cars are getting closer to the top and that Toro Rosso have also improved quite significantly.
F1 2018 RACE SPEED TRAP AVERAGE
				AUS-ESP	FRA-GER
Mercedes			304,9	302,6	-2,3	
Force India-Mercedes		306,4	303,4	-3,0
Williams-Mercedes		301,8	297,6	-4,2
Ferrari				300,9	304,3	+3,4
Haas-Ferrari			300,8	302,8	+2,0
Sauber-Ferrari			301,8	302,1	+0,3
Renault				297,3	297,9	+0,6
Red Bull-Renault		301,0	300,6	-0,4
McLaren-Renault			296,5	294,5	-2,0
Toro Rosso-Honda		294,9	297,4	+2,5

Mercedes			304,4	301,2	-3,2
Ferrari				301,2	303,0	+1,8
Renault				298,3	297,7	-0,6
Honda				294,9	297,4	+2,5
Dividing the season just in like the qualifying statistics reveals the changes a little bit better. Ferrari powered cars have made significant progress where as the Mercedes powered cars seem to be the biggest losers. Renault have also made some progress but no to the extent that Honda apparently have. Although with small sample sizes the data isn't necessarily that reliable (and with lots of unknown variables like drag etc.) it is clear compared to last year that Honda have made progress. What are missing from their race speed trap data are the very slow segments of the race that they still had last year. Now their data is consistent and a very good match to the Renault powered cars. I don't think there is much of a gap between the two manufacturers in any situation, be it qualifying or race.