That time Berger destroyed everyone (including Senna) with one of the most insane manual laps ever

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Re: That time Berger destroyed everyone (including Senna) with one of the most insane manual laps ever

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Gaz. wrote:
05 Apr 2018, 22:07
Steven wrote:
05 Apr 2018, 21:23
Oh how I'd love to see Formula One make cars be real challenges like they were these days. I can't get enough of these clips really.

Anyway, apart from the obvious lack semi-automatic quick shift gearboxes back, one of the reasons that makes these cars so speedy looking and a handful to drive is the stiffness of the suspension. It's very difficult to see any serious suspension travel throughout the entire lap, resulting in serious bumping.

Anyway, who's gonna start a thread for this kind of old-school clips? ;)

Also: wow, that guy waving the finish flag! And undoing a helmet on victory lap! Words cannot express...
(vs FIA: "hey, you cannot take a driver along with you on your car at the end of a race")
An enormous difference is the cameras, their mounts, aspect ratio, depth of field, definition, field of view etc.

Look at Hakkinen's helmet still bobbing about like the earlier 90s clips but with the camera technology of 2000 making it look far less dramatic, Montoya from 2004 shows this even better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myy4K9B9zT0

The next huge change is the aspect ratio from 4.3 to 16:9 in 2009 in the Buemi clip which basically means the top third of the screen has been chopped off (funnily enough it gives me neck ache like I'm peering underneath something).

The sound quality also plays a part.

Even a modern and affordable GoPro gives a higher quality view (from 2 mins):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_qrmTBAgE

I think a lot of people will be surprised (and perhaps disappointed) at the result if Liberty put a modern 4k camera and mic on a 30 year old car and asked a current driver to go 100% at Suzuka/Monza/Paul Ricard.
Also in 2005 they changed to digital cameras instead of analog i believe.That also made a difference.

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Re: That time Berger destroyed everyone (including Senna) with one of the most insane manual laps ever

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gold333 wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 22:17
Finally found an onboard video (Japanese broadcast) on that banzai lap Berger did in qualifying Suzuka 1991 and destroyed the whole grid. It's really an insane lap.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXaTt3VxytI



I can just imagine him double declutching and heel and toeing like crazy. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

PS: I found that this was the only race Senna let Berger through on the last lap to gift him the win in honour of his insane qualifying performance.
This is qualifying as it should be: the engine, tires and configuration specifically for qualifying and no post-qualifying parc fermé.