2022 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Oct 07 - 09

[SiLo]

I'm all for more wet races but the FIA apparently aren't.

[Big Tea]

I'm all for more wet races but the FIA apparently aren't.

Me neither. It is the occasional unpredictability that makes them interesting, but I have seen enough for the next decade now.

[mzivtins]

I'm all for more wet races but the FIA apparently aren't.

Me neither. It is the occasional unpredictability that makes them interesting, but I have seen enough for the next decade now.

I think wet races are great, but its the stupid "pitting under sc" meta that exists in F1 now which is stupid and painful to watch.

[BlueCheetah66]

I'm all for more wet races but the FIA apparently aren't.

Me neither. It is the occasional unpredictability that makes them interesting, but I have seen enough for the next decade now.

I think wet races are great, but its the stupid "pitting under sc" meta that exists in F1 now which is stupid and painful to watch.

I beg people with this narrative that 'pitting under the sc' is stupid. The solution most people have is just to close the pitlane, which is literally just switching who you want to benefit from it. If anything, the fairest solution is to reduce the speed limit in the pitlane during a safety car period

[Big Tea]

Me neither. It is the occasional unpredictability that makes them interesting, but I have seen enough for the next decade now.

I think wet races are great, but its the stupid "pitting under sc" meta that exists in F1 now which is stupid and painful to watch.

I beg people with this narrative that 'pitting under the sc' is stupid. The solution most people have is just to close the pitlane, which is literally just switching who you want to benefit from it. If anything, the fairest solution is to reduce the speed limit in the pitlane during a safety car period

I would assume that for any driver, over their career the gains and losses would probably not be far out of balance.
Yes, some would be at more critical times than others, but that is just random.

[mzivtins]

Me neither. It is the occasional unpredictability that makes them interesting, but I have seen enough for the next decade now.

I think wet races are great, but its the stupid "pitting under sc" meta that exists in F1 now which is stupid and painful to watch.

I beg people with this narrative that 'pitting under the sc' is stupid. The solution most people have is just to close the pitlane, which is literally just switching who you want to benefit from it. If anything, the fairest solution is to reduce the speed limit in the pitlane during a safety car period

This is what i had said in a general chat thread about the issues

Or just two pit windows, something that nullifies the gain in the pits

[mzivtins]

I think wet races are great, but its the stupid "pitting under sc" meta that exists in F1 now which is stupid and painful to watch.

I beg people with this narrative that 'pitting under the sc' is stupid. The solution most people have is just to close the pitlane, which is literally just switching who you want to benefit from it. If anything, the fairest solution is to reduce the speed limit in the pitlane during a safety car period

I would assume that for any driver, over their career the gains and losses would probably not be far out of balance.
Yes, some would be at more critical times than others, but that is just random.

Randomness should be force of nature, rather than random gain/loss due to rules and regs, thats the part i dont like

[CMSMJ1]

Am looking forwards to the pace of these cars on Suzuka. Should be good to see them through the esses

[basti313]

I'm all for more wet races but the FIA apparently aren't.

Me neither. It is the occasional unpredictability that makes them interesting, but I have seen enough for the next decade now.

I think this is more spoiled by FIA at the moment.
There was nothing wrong with Germany two seasons ago, there was nothing wrong with Hungary this year. It is just this long time no DRS and/or the heavy start delay.

But you are also right, there were very good races this and last year without rain. Most this year just spoiled by Ferrari...

If anything, the fairest solution is to reduce the speed limit in the pitlane during a safety car period

This is the first time I read a way to reduce the SC nonsense which actually makes sense on this forums. Thank you, very good idea!
Would be easy to implement: Calculate the delta and set the speed automatically to the pit limiter. The electronics know when there is a SC.
This would also strongly reduce the risk in the pitlane, thus, increasing safety a lot.

[AR3-GP]

I'm all for more wet races but the FIA apparently aren't.

Me neither. It is the occasional unpredictability that makes them interesting, but I have seen enough for the next decade now.

I think this is more spoiled by FIA at the moment.
There was nothing wrong with Germany two seasons ago, there was nothing wrong with Hungary this year. It is just this long time no DRS and/or the heavy start delay.

But you are also right, there were very good races this and last year without rain. Most this year just spoiled by Ferrari...

If anything, the fairest solution is to reduce the speed limit in the pitlane during a safety car period

This is the first time I read a way to reduce the SC nonsense which actually makes sense on this forums. Thank you, very good idea!
Would be easy to implement: Calculate the delta and set the speed automatically to the pit limiter. The electronics know when there is a SC.
This would also strongly reduce the risk in the pitlane, thus, increasing safety a lot.

F1 has no desire to make SC procedures "more fair". The current system increases randomness and entertainment. Haven't you seen the report that they are considering more implementation of SC vs VSC? It's a Nascar model. More races. More competition cautions.

If FOM could throw random competition cautions anytime the race goes stale, they would do it. The problem is the current regulations don't permit this and they would get a lot of push back trying to include this in the future regulations. FOM may be racing fans, but they are money fans first and foremost.

[DGP123]

This has what has put me right off F1. When I look back on this year, all i seem to remember is SC’s being deployed, and excruciatingly long VSC’s, whereby the gaps have clearly changed, or tried to be exploited. Even Brundle now just sees a crash, and his first words are, ‘that needs a SC’……. No it bloody doesn’t, you fool.

Unfortunately, everything is about the show now. I can’t remember the last race without a SC. All because of the need to create or spark some action to please the twitter/netflix mob. Sad times.

[vanburin]

This has what has put me right off F1. When I look back on this year, all i seem to remember is SC’s being deployed, and excruciatingly long VSC’s, whereby the gaps have clearly changed, or tried to be exploited. Even Brundle now just sees a crash, and his first words are, ‘that needs a SC’……. No it bloody doesn’t, you fool.

Unfortunately, everything is about the show now. I can’t remember the last race without a SC. All because of the need to create or spark some action to please the twitter/netflix mob. Sad times.

I think that Brundle comment has a bit of recency bias to it. He did utter those words numerous times at Singapore, but that likely has more to do with the nature of that track and the efforts required to remove a stalled vehicle from the walled track.

I do agree on the overall point though that there does seem to be concerted effort to introduce more "randomness" to races.

Bringing this back to the Japanese GP, ironically (though incredibly sad nonetheless), the lack of a safety car being called out during the 2014 Japanese GP arguably played a role in Bianchi's fatal crash.

[deadhead]

Am looking forwards to the pace of these cars on Suzuka. Should be good to see them through the esses

We might see them on Saturday, probably rain on Sunday.

[chrisc90]

Am looking forwards to the pace of these cars on Suzuka. Should be good to see them through the esses

We might see them on Saturday, probably rain on Sunday.

Be alright. The FIA will just sit out and wait until it stops raining and hopefully the track clears up quickly.

Really looking forward to this race.

[Big Tea]

This has what has put me right off F1. When I look back on this year, all i seem to remember is SC’s being deployed, and excruciatingly long VSC’s, whereby the gaps have clearly changed, or tried to be exploited. Even Brundle now just sees a crash, and his first words are, ‘that needs a SC’……. No it bloody doesn’t, you fool.

Unfortunately, everything is about the show now. I can’t remember the last race without a SC. All because of the need to create or spark some action to please the twitter/netflix mob. Sad times.

Keep in mind he does walk the track with a camera crew through the areas track workers will have to be going out, when the cars are actually driving at full speed (practice speed anyway) It may look fine from a filming position 30 feet up and 70 feet away, but being close up is probably different. He still races so should have a good idea.