2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Vanja #66]

Not necessarily, last year Ferrari used a shorter Demo Run for the launch event. The day after they used Filming day 1 and before Austrian weekend they used Filming day 2.

[KimiRai]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

[diffuser]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

Everything is relative. If the top 4/5 are closer to RBR, there are a lot of points that they could steal from RBR's 2023 total. AMR could easily score more points in 2024 and still be further behind 4th place.

[xReVo]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

It is useless to make these speeches without knowing the real performances of the opponents and above all of our team

[NAPI10]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

It is useless to make these speeches without knowing the real performances of the opponents and above all of our team

What is the fun of making claims if we know the performance of the opponent
Let's enjoy some pre-season guesses.

[diffuser]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

It is useless to make these speeches without knowing the real performances of the opponents and above all of our team

What is the fun of making claims if we know the performance of the opponent
Let's enjoy some pre-season guesses.

It's like a fart, you might have heard it but you don't know till it gets to you if it stinks!

[xReVo]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

It is useless to make these speeches without knowing the real performances of the opponents and above all of our team

What is the fun of making claims if we know the performance of the opponent
Let's enjoy some pre-season guesses.

Of course there are predictions. But already saying "it's almost impossible" I find it exaggerated

[Andres125sx]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

That is only because most underestimate the scale of points that were earned in the initial third of last season

AM performing better than Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes is the odd thing, not the other way around. Luckily/hopefully that will become a norm after the money invested by Stroll, but anyone assuming money equals perfomance should take a look at Toyota short adventure into F1

[skoop]

It is useless to make these speeches without knowing the real performances of the opponents and above all of our team

What is the fun of making claims if we know the performance of the opponent
Let's enjoy some pre-season guesses.

It's like a fart, you might have heard it but you don't know till it gets to you if it stinks!

Spoken like a true poet

[-wkst-]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

AM performing better than Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes is the odd thing, not the other way around. Luckily/hopefully that will become a norm after the money invested by Stroll, but anyone assuming money equals perfomance should take a look at Toyota short adventure into F1

Don't know why McLaren makes it into your list. They are a customer team, sometimes better sometimes worse. Nowhere pace wise 2022 for example (new regulations) or at the first half of 2023. They are not the goal, as they won't win any championship as a customer, especially with the view to 2026.

AMR is on a good way, will soon have the best facilities on the grid completed, a lot of good engineers (and deep pockets to invest further in human ressources) and most important of all a works partnership in 2026.

2024 and 2025 are another development years to become better and more experienced. But also RBR won already in 2009 some GP's, in the process of getting a top team...

[xReVo]

In my opinion most underestimate the scale of points that were lost with the drop in performance after the initial third of last season. Even if 2024 doesn't start as strong as 2023, as three consecutive podiums will be almost impossible to match with the other teams having recovered from their difficulties, it is likely that they will score more points in total this season and not just because there is one more race.

AM performing better than Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes is the odd thing, not the other way around. Luckily/hopefully that will become a norm after the money invested by Stroll, but anyone assuming money equals perfomance should take a look at Toyota short adventure into F1

Don't know why McLaren makes it into your list. They are a customer team, sometimes better sometimes worse. Nowhere pace wise 2022 for example (new regulations) or at the first half of 2023. They are not the goal, as they won't win any championship as a customer, especially with the view to 2026.

AMR is on a good way, will soon have the best facilities on the grid completed, a lot of good engineers (and deep pockets to invest further in human ressources) and most important of all a works partnership in 2026.

2024 and 2025 are another development years to become better and more experienced. But also RBR won already in 2009 some GP's, in the process of getting a top team...

The mistake is precisely that of always thinking about the future, the new regulations etc. Real teams win immediately, they don't need to wait for further years which could be even worse (in 2026 Audi and Redbull Ford will be tough opponents). Otherwise you'll make the same mistake as Ferrari who always thinks about the following year without success.

[-wkst-]

"Real" teams win immediately?

Well, someone should tell this RBR, when they started in 2005, or when Mercedes returned in 2010...

Ferrari is the only team in the last 20-30 years, who had the facilities, the manpower and money to only think about winning.

Fact is that only the first step is done at AMR (money and investments in manpower, although this is an ongoing thing). Second step will be completed this year with the state of the art facility. Third step will be only completed in 2026 with their works partnership with Honda.

[KimiRai]

"Real" teams win immediately?

Well, someone should tell this RBR, when they started in 2005, or when Mercedes returned in 2010...

Ferrari is the only team in the last 20-30 years, who had the facilities, the manpower and money to only think about winning.

Fact is that only the first step is done at AMR (money and investments in manpower, although this is an ongoing thing). Second step will be completed this year with the state of the art facility. Third step will be only completed in 2026 with their works partnership with Honda.

Yes, but you could also say that it is important for them to get used to the pressure of being at the front of the grid. The strategic mistake in Monaco last year hurt, but it is a necessary ill from which they will learn. So it's not just waiting for the new regs. Breaking the barrier of a race victory this year would be meaningful.

[organic]

I'm still not convinced about them this year considering the way they seemed to be still chasing shadows with their upgrade packages at the end of last year.

[xReVo]

"Real" teams win immediately?

Well, someone should tell this RBR, when they started in 2005, or when Mercedes returned in 2010...

Ferrari is the only team in the last 20-30 years, who had the facilities, the manpower and money to only think about winning.

Fact is that only the first step is done at AMR (money and investments in manpower, although this is an ongoing thing). Second step will be completed this year with the state of the art facility. Third step will be only completed in 2026 with their works partnership with Honda.

Mercedes won a few races in the three-year period 2010-13 and wanted to leave F1, then they made the regulations in his favor to make him stay and we all know how it went. RB is a can company and in any case already after 4 years it risked winning the world championship (if it hadn't been for Brawn GP). Real teams want to win immediately and 2nd place for them means being the first of the losers. Look at Mercedes who judged the w13 and w14 to be failures despite numerous podiums, Ferrari the same thing. You can't expect to think about 2026, it's an excuse, you don't even know what your rivals will be like and above all how Honda will have adapted. It is the same mentality that led to the failure of Renault, which had set itself the goal of 5 years to win and to progress slowly, was asphalted by Aston Martin and McLaren, creating problems within the team. The first thing to think about is to do better than the previous year, consequently aiming for victory right away and I think (and hope) that Aston Martin thinks like me, also because Alonso still doesn't have many years to race in F1.