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CHT wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 04:18
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With this massive new set up and infrastructure, the cash burn rate for the team will be very high and this will add tremendous pressure for the staffs to deliver result in 2025. Unlike Redbull, where the energy drink companies are making huge profit, AM as a car manufacturer is actually still in red, so its unsure how long Lawrence Stroll can bankroll this team or if he has plan to sell the team eventually. Perhaps to Saudis.

I am not expecting much from AM in 2025, perhaps the best bet will be 2026 with AN + Honda.
I hear you but they have huge sponsors and enough funds from F1. I think the car maker is in far worse shape than the F1 team

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CHT wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 04:18

With this massive new set up and infrastructure, the cash burn rate for the team will be very high and this will add tremendous pressure for the staffs to deliver result in 2025. Unlike Redbull, where the energy drink companies are making huge profit, AM as a car manufacturer is actually still in red, so its unsure how long Lawrence Stroll can bankroll this team or if he has plan to sell the team eventually. Perhaps to Saudis.
Good thing Aston Martin has Aramco as a title sponsor, then.

They can probably sustain this cash burn rate no problem. Stroll's personal fortune is only growing, and the consortium he assembled to purchase AM and Force India probably consists of several more billionaires and major financial institutions. Aston Martin is a long term project and has shown zero willingness to step on the brakes so far.

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TyreSlip wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 16:25
I worry if Cardile is as rated as Aston Martin thinks he is. Ferrari's biggest jumps in car development happened after Cardile left the team.
Knowledgeable people say Cardile is a good organizer but as designer he's not as brilliant. In AM with Newey as designer and Cardile doing the organizing with the departments is a great combination in theory. Also I remember Nugnes said in the past that "it seems the request for Cardile at Aston Martin was made by Adrian Newey himself"... still not confirmed if that is the case but it seems likely to me

Cardile arriving in January should mean he will supervise the AMR25 developments.
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KimiRai wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:30
TyreSlip wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 16:25
I worry if Cardile is as rated as Aston Martin thinks he is. Ferrari's biggest jumps in car development happened after Cardile left the team.
Knowledgeable people say Cardile is a good organizer but as designer he's not as brilliant. In AM with Newey as designer and Cardile doing the organizing is a great combination in theory as AMuS said.

Cardile arriving in January means he will supervise the AMR25 upgrades.
Where did you hear that ?

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diffuser wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:38
KimiRai wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:30
TyreSlip wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 16:25
I worry if Cardile is as rated as Aston Martin thinks he is. Ferrari's biggest jumps in car development happened after Cardile left the team.
Knowledgeable people say Cardile is a good organizer but as designer he's not as brilliant. In AM with Newey as designer and Cardile doing the organizing with the departments is a great combination in theory as AMuS said.

Cardile arriving in January should mean he will supervise the AMR25 development.
Where did you hear that ?
"Cardile is a good organizer but as designer he's not as brilliant."

Piergiuseppe Donadoni (AutoRacer journo) during a twitch stream

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Macklaren wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 19:15
CHT wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 04:18
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With this massive new set up and infrastructure, the cash burn rate for the team will be very high and this will add tremendous pressure for the staffs to deliver result in 2025. Unlike Redbull, where the energy drink companies are making huge profit, AM as a car manufacturer is actually still in red, so its unsure how long Lawrence Stroll can bankroll this team or if he has plan to sell the team eventually. Perhaps to Saudis.

I am not expecting much from AM in 2025, perhaps the best bet will be 2026 with AN + Honda.
I hear you but they have huge sponsors and enough funds from F1. I think the car maker is in far worse shape than the F1 team

If you remember, Williams tried to do the same thing as Aston Martin F1 team after the CAP was put into place and they were not allowed. For Williams, the upgrades would have to come out of their yearly budget. I haven´t seen anything new on that front so I don´t know if they found another way.

Aston Martin F1 team set all this up prior to the CAP. I don´t know where the money came from but it's my understanding, it's all separate from Aston martin F1 team's yearly CAP.
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2024's thread started with the signing of Andor Hegedus, Red Bull's pitstop design engineer. 2025's thread (almost) started with a new chief mechanic from McLaren. At some point pitstops have to start improving... ](*,) :lol:

ScottR267 wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 16:35
Marc Cox has left McLaren to join Aston Martin as chief mechanic

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KimiRai wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:44
diffuser wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:38
KimiRai wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:30


Knowledgeable people say Cardile is a good organizer but as designer he's not as brilliant. In AM with Newey as designer and Cardile doing the organizing with the departments is a great combination in theory as AMuS said.

Cardile arriving in January should mean he will supervise the AMR25 development.
Where did you hear that ?
"Cardile is a good organizer but as designer he's not as brilliant."

Piergiuseppe Donadoni (AutoRacer journo) during a twitch stream
Schmidt from AMuS said in his video blog about the same and believes that the "set up" with Newey and Cardile is good. The team is obviously growing at a high rate, so this needs structure and guidance. Cardile proved at Ferrari that he can make a technical structure work. If someone blames him for a failed upgrade, the same guys should give him credit for (help) building the technical structure to make things work at all. Put the right people at the right place and make sure they work together. Easy to say, hard to achieve (not only in F1).

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-wkst- wrote:
03 Jan 2025, 08:59
KimiRai wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:44
diffuser wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 21:38


Where did you hear that ?
"Cardile is a good organizer but as designer he's not as brilliant."

Piergiuseppe Donadoni (AutoRacer journo) during a twitch stream
Schmidt from AMuS said in his video blog about the same and believes that the "set up" with Newey and Cardile is good. The team is obviously growing at a high rate, so this needs structure and guidance. Cardile proved at Ferrari that he can make a technical structure work. If someone blames him for a failed upgrade, the same guys should give him credit for (help) building the technical structure to make things work at all. Put the right people at the right place and make sure they work together. Easy to say, hard to achieve (not only in F1).
I read that Cardile had setup the new WT at Ferrari when they got a new one a few years ago.

With regards to how well Cardile and Newey do/get along... Few of us thought that Fallows would be fired before 2025 when he came over in 2021. So I have positive aspirations but ultimately ....As good as Newey has been, there are no guarantees.

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Managing director Jefferson Slack on Autosport:
“We've got some new management in now and I think they're trying to be competitive in 2025 - nobody's given up on ‘25 clearly,” he told Autosport.

“The hires that we have, Adrian starts on March 1, and I’m not a technical guy but he will have the biggest impact on the car in ‘26 and of course, everybody's been playing that game of when to give up on the 2025 car and look ahead to the big regulation changes.

“Our technical staff will have to decide that, but I can tell you we are not giving up on 2025, we are focused on being really competitive and in developing well over the winter.

"Then in 2026, a lot of the puzzle will be in place with our staffing, Adrian embedded fully and also having our engine deal with Honda and our wind tunnel.

“We welcomed a lot of new and exciting partners in 2024 and, alongside Aramco and Cognizant, we can’t just say ‘guys, let's write off 2025 and we will be at the front in 2026 – it doesn't work like that.”
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10686172/

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It's gonna be a Bob Bell car this year guys. What can you expect from a Bob Bell car?

Sweet handling
Sensible downforce and great tyre life.

Bob will basically hold the fort while Newey works on 2026.

We really haven't heard of Aston figuring out the 2024 car's issues so don't expect 2025 to be stellar.
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Spanish journo carlosmiquel says both Williams and Aston think they can be 5th in constructors. Obviously in reference to both spanish drivers. Aston is a minimum, Williams is interesting

2025 could start pretty even outside the top 4. Perhaps Aston not even being 5th fastest outright. Whether updates are finally positive is the important thing to watch imo
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KimiRai wrote:
05 Jan 2025, 18:50
Spanish journo carlosmiquel says both Williams and Aston think they can be 5th in constructors. Obviously in reference to both spanish drivers. Aston is a minimum, Williams is interesting

2025 could start pretty even outside the top 4. but I hope this is finally the year development doesn't go backwards, even if there is less of it
I am so torn between wanting AM in the back for more wind tunnel time mid-season and wanting the car to improve as there will be some carryover into 2026.

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TyreSlip wrote:
05 Jan 2025, 19:13
KimiRai wrote:
05 Jan 2025, 18:50
Spanish journo carlosmiquel says both Williams and Aston think they can be 5th in constructors. Obviously in reference to both spanish drivers. Aston is a minimum, Williams is interesting

2025 could start pretty even outside the top 4. but I hope this is finally the year development doesn't go backwards, even if there is less of it
I am so torn between wanting AM in the back for more wind tunnel time mid-season and wanting the car to improve as there will be some carryover into 2026.
Think you don't want them at the back, it means they're not making good use of the tunnel time that they do have.

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KimiRai wrote:
05 Jan 2025, 18:50
Spanish journo carlosmiquel says both Williams and Aston think they can be 5th in constructors. Obviously in reference to both spanish drivers. Aston is a minimum, Williams is interesting

2025 could start pretty even outside the top 4. Perhaps Aston not even being 5th fastest outright. Whether updates are finally positive is the important thing to watch imo
ALO seems quite pessimistic ("no mircales") for 2025 for a while now, or at least very cautious.

I always have the feeling that Miquel is close to ALO and feeded by his camp. True?


Somehow my feeling is that pecking order wise we won't change much at the beginning, but it will be way more closer in both directions were everything can happen. Like the crazy 2012 season.