2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[dialtone]

I feel as though expectations might need to be managed just a liiiiiiittle bit this year.

You don't come within a few points of a WCC and bring on a 7x champ and expect to have managed expectations. That's not how the game is played. It's full send for 2025.

It’s Ferrari, it’s always expected to win and compete.

[CHT]

2025 is going to be a very tight season for the top teams as the performance gap will likely be very close.
Team strategy and driver will be very crucial to winning. ie, good strategy and less mistakes from the driver both in qualifying and race.

As 7xWDC, fans will naturally expect WDC track performance and result from driver, similar to Alonso and Vettel moving to Ferrari. LH has to secure at least a win in Ferrari for his first season, anything else will be a disappointment even in comparison to Carlos

[ScuderiaLeo]

I feel as though expectations might need to be managed just a liiiiiiittle bit this year.

I don't see why we wouldn't be going for both titles if the car is good. Leclerc showed WDC worthy form last season, and the Leclerc/Hamilton lineup is more than good enough to be competitive for the WCC.

The only question mark is their development. They weren't able to avoid their usual slump last season. They need their development to go perfectly in 2025 to match McLaren, who I expect to be very reliable.

[bananapeel23]

I feel as though expectations might need to be managed just a liiiiiiittle bit this year.

The expectations are high because Ferrari has a ton of momentum going into this season, while Red Bull is struggling and McLaren has struggled to make the most of their amazing car. McLaren is the only team that is likely to produce a better car, but frankly Norris isn't as good as Leclerc or Hamilton and Piastri isn't even close. Ferrari also looks much better operationally than McLaren.

This is the one time in the last 15 years where you could really make a case for Ferrari being favourites going into the season. I don't think the expectations are that out of control at all.

To predict Ferrari to narrowly win the WDC and WCC isn't really outlandish at all. Going by their form after the summer break in 2024 I really think Ferrari has (narrowly) the best odds going into 2025.

The only question mark is their development. They weren't able to avoid their usual slump last season. They need their development to go perfectly in 2025 to match McLaren, who I expect to be very reliable.
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Agreed. I'm hopeful that they have development under control though. They seem to have understood what caused them to slide backwards with the Spain package.

[Macklaren]

I feel as though expectations might need to be managed just a liiiiiiittle bit this year.

The expectations are high because Ferrari has a ton of momentum going into this season, while Red Bull is struggling and McLaren has struggled to make the most of their amazing car. McLaren is the only team that is likely to produce a better car, but frankly Norris isn't as good as Leclerc or Hamilton and Piastri isn't even close. Ferrari also looks much better operationally than McLaren.

Don't want to relitigate the second half of the 2024 season but a lot of Ferrari's late points gain was due to VER pushing either McLaren driver off the road (Austin, MX, Abu Dhabi). The WCC would not have been close adjusting for that and Lando's Qatar brain fade for yellow flags

[Vanja #66]

Don't want to relitigate the second half of the 2024 season but a lot of Ferrari's late points gain was due to VER pushing either McLaren driver off the road (Austin, MX, Abu Dhabi). The WCC would not have been close adjusting for that and Lando's Qatar brain fade for yellow flags

And the WCC of McLaren would still be a dream if they weren't allowed to run the illegal wing in Baku, making it an easy win for Leclerc and an even easier podium for Sainz. See, it works both ways

[Macklaren]

Don't want to relitigate the second half of the 2024 season but a lot of Ferrari's late points gain was due to VER pushing either McLaren driver off the road (Austin, MX, Abu Dhabi). The WCC would not have been close adjusting for that and Lando's Qatar brain fade for yellow flags

And the WCC of McLaren would still be a dream if they weren't allowed to run the illegal wing in Baku, making it an easy win for Leclerc and an even easier podium for Sainz. See, it works both ways

HAHAH Vanja, i have a lot of respect for your technical knowledge, but you look silly when you make such a stupid claim. The wing was signed off by the FIA but they asked for modifications to avoid an arms race (similar to how Merc DAS was "banned"). Also none of the wing flex tests are changing for 2025 despite all the invesigations

[Vanja #66]

Don't want to relitigate the second half of the 2024 season but a lot of Ferrari's late points gain was due to VER pushing either McLaren driver off the road (Austin, MX, Abu Dhabi). The WCC would not have been close adjusting for that and Lando's Qatar brain fade for yellow flags

And the WCC of McLaren would still be a dream if they weren't allowed to run the illegal wing in Baku, making it an easy win for Leclerc and an even easier podium for Sainz. See, it works both ways

HAHAH Vanja, i have a lot of respect for your technical knowledge, but you look silly when you make such a stupid claim. The wing was signed off by the FIA but they asked for modifications to avoid an arms race (similar to how Merc DAS was "banned"). Also none of the wing flex tests are changing for 2025 despite all the invesigations

And of the whole comment, you stick to McLaren on Ferrari thread

[Seanspeed]

Don't want to relitigate the second half of the 2024 season but a lot of Ferrari's late points gain was due to VER pushing either McLaren driver off the road (Austin, MX, Abu Dhabi). The WCC would not have been close adjusting for that and Lando's Qatar brain fade for yellow flags

And the WCC of McLaren would still be a dream if they weren't allowed to run the illegal wing in Baku, making it an easy win for Leclerc and an even easier podium for Sainz. See, it works both ways

HAHAH Vanja, i have a lot of respect for your technical knowledge, but you look silly when you make such a stupid claim. The wing was signed off by the FIA but they asked for modifications to avoid an arms race (similar to how Merc DAS was "banned"). Also none of the wing flex tests are changing for 2025 despite all the invesigations

Yes, and the FIA only 'asked for modifications' to Ferrari's engine in 2019. I'm fine acknowledging it's not illegal so long as it passed the tests, but then I never want to hear you claim Ferrari's engine was illegal. Fair?

[bananapeel23]

I feel as though expectations might need to be managed just a liiiiiiittle bit this year.

The expectations are high because Ferrari has a ton of momentum going into this season, while Red Bull is struggling and McLaren has struggled to make the most of their amazing car. McLaren is the only team that is likely to produce a better car, but frankly Norris isn't as good as Leclerc or Hamilton and Piastri isn't even close. Ferrari also looks much better operationally than McLaren.

Don't want to relitigate the second half of the 2024 season but a lot of Ferrari's late points gain was due to VER pushing either McLaren driver off the road (Austin, MX, Abu Dhabi). The WCC would not have been close adjusting for that and Lando's Qatar brain fade for yellow flags

That is true (well not Austin), but Ferrari was still awfully close. I expect McLaren to remain dysfunctional operationally and Norris to be even more inconsistent with everyone expecting him to win the WDC, which he clearly struggled with mentally in 2024.

If you expect those 2 things to remain in 2025, the fact that Ferrari didn't gain those points on pace doesn't matter much because you expect McLaren and Norris to keep fumbling the bag.

Also remember Ferrari would've won the WCC if Perez didn't crash Sainz out in Baku.

[Farnborough]

I feel LeClerc has notional psychological advantage in beating Verstappen to a WDC ... in comparison to Hamilton, Norris & Russel.

The British press and general support "contingent" try to place those three as needing to control Verstappen, to their detriment. They, each of them, need to be free of wearing that badge. Concentration on their own performance is paramount, not to be positioned as and "avenger" should be their aim.

CL already has that position sorted out, plays his own strengths untainted. His consistency last year, along with a good car development in this new chassis could carry this year.

[Nani_s23]

Looking at the Ferrari driver line up, they’ve got the best pair of the grid compared to McLaren, RB & Merc.

Ferrari is carrying momentum from the 2024 season & they are very close to McLaren which is the current benchmark.

There are high chances of WCC for Ferrari.
In case of WDC, if Ferrari can produce a strong reliable car then I guess either Leclerc or Ham will make it count. But it will be tough fight between Max/Leclerc/Ham/ not sure abt Norris although he has a strong car.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I feel LeClerc has notional psychological advantage in beating Verstappen to a WDC ... in comparison to Hamilton, Norris & Russel.

The British press and general support "contingent" try to place those three as needing to control Verstappen, to their detriment. They, each of them, need to be free of wearing that badge. Concentration on their own performance is paramount, not to be positioned as and "avenger" should be their aim.

CL already has that position sorted out, plays his own strengths untainted. His consistency last year, along with a good car development in this new chassis could carry this year.

I think it's just the inherent confidence of Leclerc having raced against Verstappen when they were young, foundational years that would've impacted his driving style and mindset. I might be beating a dead horse here but Brazil 2024, their fights in 2022, and Austria/Silverstone 2019 show that Leclerc is very comfortable battling Verstappen in a way others aren't - and he's always been this way, this isn't a new development from recent years.

Leclerc is also very good at brushing off mistakes from previous weekends, something I feel Norris struggled with this season. For Russell I don't think we've seen enough of him at the front to make a judgment.

I wouldn't group Hamilton in with the younger guys. He has shown himself to be mentally strong in WDC fights, in 2021 and during his years with Rosberg.

[PlatinumZealot]

Don't want to relitigate the second half of the 2024 season but a lot of Ferrari's late points gain was due to VER pushing either McLaren driver off the road (Austin, MX, Abu Dhabi). The WCC would not have been close adjusting for that and Lando's Qatar brain fade for yellow flags

And the WCC of McLaren would still be a dream if they weren't allowed to run the illegal wing in Baku, making it an easy win for Leclerc and an even easier podium for Sainz. See, it works both ways

Weird that you say that as the wing was legal by all accounts. It passed the deformation tests is really what matters rignt and it's not the first timea rear wing flap had macro deformations in weird places!

[PlatinumZealot]

I feel LeClerc has notional psychological advantage in beating Verstappen to a WDC ... in comparison to Hamilton, Norris & Russel.

The British press and general support "contingent" try to place those three as needing to control Verstappen, to their detriment. They, each of them, need to be free of wearing that badge. Concentration on their own performance is paramount, not to be positioned as and "avenger" should be their aim.

CL already has that position sorted out, plays his own strengths untainted. His consistency last year, along with a good car development in this new chassis could carry this year.

Let's wait till hear Marco talking about LeClerc first.... When Marco starts yabbering, that's when you know RedBull see that driver as a threat. (eg the Lando Mentally weak chea shots).