2009 Aero change: Front Wing

[Scotracer]

Maybe a return to the 1979 type sidepod that were tunneled?

I don;t know how they work, but I have seen them in the 1979GP mod for rFactor. If the current open is enough to cool the engine, then there is going to be alot of unnecessary space at the opening.

I am very excited to see how the teams maximize the new rules!

Chris

Ground effects wont be allowed -- the amount of downforce would skyrocket. I want to see sidepods at the height of:



The cars would look so much more purposeful and similar to lower formulae (Formula Ford, F3, Formula Renault 2000 etc). Since the V8s require much less cooling, they are perfectly possible...just let's see how the FIA wants to --- with things some more.

[SLC]

On motorsport-total.com (which by the way seems to be a good site) there's an interview of ross brawn on KERS and 2009 regs, and in illustration a rear wing CFD from renault.

I don't understand german, so i translated it via prompt and it suggests it is a a rear wing with 2009 regs, containing 3 elements, i heard some time ago that going back to 3 elements was considered...

By the way, here's the picture:



"Mit CFD-Simulationen wurde die neue Aerodynamik für 2009 erarbeitet" (what does it mean?)

This is a very old image - around 2001/2002 i think. 2009 regs only allow for a two element top rear wing.

[Ogami musashi]

Oh okay, where did you learn number of elements for next year is 2?

[SLC]

The latest draft version of the 2009 regs. They haven't been made official yet however.

[AeroGT3]

The latest draft version of the 2009 regs. They haven't been made official yet however.

Even the older drafts say two element.

[Ogami musashi]

the older one has no relevance at all. The dimensions for the front wing is higher than the news regs so that means nothing.


Thanks for the info slc.

[Scotracer]

the older one has no relevance at all. The dimensions for the front wing is higher than the news regs so that means nothing.


Thanks for the info slc.

What do you mean higher, Ogami? Do you mean the wing has been lowered from the 75mm above reference plane from the original or has the front-wing been reduced in width?

[Ogami musashi]

Yes sorry i meant "lower".

[AeroGT3]

the older one has no relevance at all.

They are more relevant than any rules set you have.

The dimensions for the front wing is higher than the news regs so that means nothing.

But you have no PROOF of this. In another thread I looked hard for PROOF of this and never found any. I read your entire thread on atlas, and the same thing. You have ONE article and it says "from a Brazilian source" or something like that. The technical director interviews talk about people still working on the regulations, but none mention the 75mm front wing height specifically.

Do the 2009 regs posted on the FIA website is the most relevant information here. All else is speculation.

I could say the front wing must be 2mm off the ground and it would be as valid as anyone else's claims here.

[Scotracer]

Well they should be released in the next 10 days so all this conjecture will stop soon!

[Ogami musashi]

sctoracer: i phoned the FIA and they say that maybe it won't be published before october!


AeroGT3: Willis said the current regs have no relevance at all, so i may not have any proof of the lowering of the wing (except that all interviews confirm the changes approved...) but i have the proof the actual regs are not relevant at all.


It is so simple to see confirmations of that point: for example the actual rules set states the maximum width for the rear wing is 2 meters.knowing the actual size for this year cars ais 1 meter and that many team directors stated the rear wing will be narrower next year you can easily see the 80Cm is true.

The same for the front wing.

The same for the moveable front wing (confirmed recently by ross brawn in an interview that you can again find in the autosport article).

Now if you don't believe team directors including the ones that are part of the OWG i can't do nothing for you...


Actually of the information i posted in the autosport thread the wrong ones are the one from the actual set of rules!

The 2 meters widening being the most evident one (again confirmed in motorsport-total that this plan was dropped).

[SLC]

Bodywork behind the rear wheels will have a maximum width of 750mm.

[AeroGT3]

sctoracer: i phoned the FIA and they say that maybe it won't be published before october!


AeroGT3: Willis said the current regs have no relevance at all, so i may not have any proof of the lowering of the wing (except that all interviews confirm the changes approved...) but i have the proof the actual regs are not relevant at all.


It is so simple to see confirmations of that point: for example the actual rules set states the maximum width for the rear wing is 2 meters.knowing the actual size for this year cars ais 1 meter and that many team directors stated the rear wing will be narrower next year you can easily see the 80Cm is true.

The same for the front wing.

The same for the moveable front wing (confirmed recently by ross brawn in an interview that you can again find in the autosport article).

Now if you don't believe team directors including the ones that are part of the OWG i can't do nothing for you...

The ONLY thing you have on record from team directors is the movable wing and a rear wing that is smaller, but by some unknown amount.

The 80cm is a guess.
Front wing height is a guess.
etc.

Show me an interview with the 80cm, or the 7.5cm front wing height.

[Ogami musashi]

The ONLY thing you have on record from team directors is the movable wing and a rear wing that is smaller, but by some unknown amount.

The 80cm is a guess.
Front wing height is a guess.
etc.

Show me an interview with the 80cm, or the 7.5cm front wing height.

Your point is that the actual set of rules is valid. I show you that it is basically not by providing you proof that for example the rear wing will be narrowed, front wing widened etc..

Yes it is guess at the 80Cm (and SLC suggests even less.)but the same article says 180Cm wide for the front wing and you can read in patrick head interview "the new front wings come almost to the outer edge of the tyres", just like the narrowing of the rear wing, i answer you that the actual regs are outdated by providing examples of the total non relevance of that set of rules.

That's my point.

Now you don't need to be that aggressive thanks.

[Scotracer]

Well since the track is 1.8m, if the wing "almost" goes to the outer edge of the wheels, maybe that suggests they re-thought the width because of the likely problem with contact with other cars?

If the regulations have to be settled at next weeks meeting, even if they aren't officially published by the FIA surely someone from one of the teams or a journalist will reveal them for our reading pleasure