Full List of cost cuts for 2009+

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So... where is this break-away series that everyone was discussing last year?

To be honest some very shocking measures in this package. I agree that costs should be kept down for sure, but some of these decisions just seem ridiculously hopeless.

It seems that the strategy of the FIA (and maybe even the FOTA?) is to just keep coming up with new excess regulation on top of the old. At this rate, by 2015 the FIA will be dictating what kind of fabric the teams' clothing should be made of.

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Belatti wrote:
axle wrote:
Belatti wrote:No sh*t? Really? They should start reading this forum...
We are.
So, you are making market research for FIA???
LOL of course not :D :P
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In all this excitement, I think an important area in order of seriously cutting cost was forgotten, an agreement on a maximum wingspan for the private jets, no?
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And a limit on the turbine RPM too.


Those measures won't change a lot for the spectacle but i'm really curious to see what component of the chassis will be homologated (hope that the wings and bodywork won't be) and if in 2013 a more technical free will be possible.
MM said it recently "The rules are too constrignent"...if only he was to change that.

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Belatti wrote:
modbaraban wrote:Looks like the ban on testing during the season is the only sane decision :roll:
No wind tunnel exceeding 60% scale and 50 metres/sec to be used after 1 January 2009

What happens if you hire a "secret service" from an X company, lets say located in america, lets say 100% scale, to study your car aero?
No need to even do that, just do what Red Bull do. Create another company separate from Red Bull Racing & Toro Rosso. Move your Aero team led by Adrian Newey its assets and intellectual property over to the new company. Then contract this new company to design your car for you. Because they are not current F1 team they can supply the designs to more than one team and at any price regardless of the actual cost.

The wind tunnel, CFD, and the design staff paying including Adrian Newey’s rumoured 10 mil a year are also off your F1 racing budget.

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Scotracer wrote:Try to not be melodramatic about this is hard.

F1 has been killed....
we had the same kind of complaints when V12s, V10s and V8s with 19.500 rpm were abolished. perhaps those who are young enough to be able to hear the differences will quickly ruin their aural capability by listning to live engine sound anyway. :wink:

It is the balanced package that was largely expected. of course refuelling ban 2010 is great news. no more race fuel Q3 with this, I guess.

They left the KERS untouched for 2009 and hopefully by the middle of the year it will be clear that it will need to be developed competitively to make progress. The two different storage solutions will be intriguing to watch in competition. I cannot imagine that peole want to suppress the engineering race for those things.

Hopefully Cosworth will get some customers to keep the manufacturers honest, but I would not hold my breath on that.

Some of the resource restrictions are so wishy washy that they are hardly worth the paper they are printed on. But it is now clear that the economic crisis and the imbalance of funding that started more than 10 years ago will be addressed by low power train prices and resource restrictions. Finally, after years of dithering a decision for a method is agreed and will be implemented. So we have a start. Again a good thing. Much better than endless talk wihout action.

The equalizing decision for the Renault engine was a bit dissapointing because the teams will never stop to manipulate the engines. Close loop control of torque profile and rev limt would have put an end to this manipulations. Instead we have injectors and trumpets as the next "unfrozen" field for manipulations. No doubt next season we will have new complaints about that and the "unfreeze" will move to yet another field to keep us entertained in 2010.
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The now defunct CART-series of the nineties was something to behold. Until Tony George set his mind to ruin it of course. Four different engine suppliers with manufacturer's support and three or four different but commercially available chassis racing on a variety of tracks, all at an affordable cost through strict ruling.

Does this concept sound familiar to anyone?
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Mmmmm, If they want to reduce the race mileage or the duration of the race, will they ask less money to the spectators?? :roll: I don't think so. This is the stupidest idea of all!

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I agree with the shorten duration of race. Thats not good. Imagine this scenario, driver close behind is trying to overtake and it takes 20 laps to do it but he only gets 7 laps before finish. Front driver will benefit.

I don't want race duration shortened and refuelling should happen. Come on, fuel prices are going down, it is not that expensive. You can use less number of tires and reuse more of the expensive parts like engine, gearbox and chassis.

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An F1 race is more often than not decided after the second pit-stop, why the last third is just a waste of time anyway.
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An F1 race is more often than not decided after the second pit-stop, why the last third is just a waste of time anyway.

Why isn't Massa the world champion then?

This shortening rule sucks. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. Not a silly sprint race series. Besides, it rips off those who attend the shortened Grands Prix, and will most probably reduce income for all involved in F1.

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Principessa wrote:Mmmmm, If they want to reduce the race mileage or the duration of the race, will they ask less money to the spectators?? :roll: I don't think so. This is the stupidest idea of all!
With no refueling, cars are slower and the duration must be the same as now due to TV agreements.

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quidam wrote:
Principessa wrote:Mmmmm, If they want to reduce the race mileage or the duration of the race, will they ask less money to the spectators?? :roll: I don't think so. This is the stupidest idea of all!
With no refueling, cars are slower and the duration must be the same as now due to TV agreements.
I second Principessa's view in this issue. If no refuelling will add 2 or 3 minutes to F1 races it makes no difference to the TV schedules. If they want to shorten the race by 5 km, hell whats the difference?
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Belatti wrote:
modbaraban wrote:Looks like the ban on testing during the season is the only sane decision :roll:
I would add std radio and telemetry systems.
That's if things like car-pits radio and realtime driver inputs will be 100% available for TV bradcast. I'd like that.

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Does no refuelling mean drivers have to save fuel? So accelerate hard then change to a very tall top gear and run at 5000rpm to save fuel... Hmm... does not sound like racing to me.