How to become an aerodynamics engineer?

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czt wrote:I'd disagree with the choice of MechEng - an aeronautical degree would still offer plenty of general mechanical knowledge but would be so much more appropriate for aerodynamics. If you did choose mechanical then i'd suggest taking any optional aero modules and doing your final yeah project on an aero subject.
Why? I pretty much have loved aero as far back as i remember. Heck I use aero every day to get my boxy car to get 35 mpg highway. I am gonna most likely do either a minor in mech and major in aero or major in mech. I have a friend that works for Pratt and Whitney and he has told me the best way is to go through mech as you have a bigger matress to fall back on if aero doesn't work out. And gives you room for change.

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wrcsti wrote:
czt wrote:I'd disagree with the choice of MechEng - an aeronautical degree would still offer plenty of general mechanical knowledge but would be so much more appropriate for aerodynamics. If you did choose mechanical then i'd suggest taking any optional aero modules and doing your final yeah project on an aero subject.
Why? I pretty much have loved aero as far back as i remember. Heck I use aero every day to get my boxy car to get 35 mpg highway. I am gonna most likely do either a minor in mech and major in aero or major in mech. I have a friend that works for Pratt and Whitney and he has told me the best way is to go through mech as you have a bigger matress to fall back on if aero doesn't work out. And gives you room for change.
The aero content in a Mech degree will most likely be pretty limited compared to that in an aeronautical degree, so if the aim is to be a racecar aerodynamicist I think it would be more appropriate. Having said that doing mech eng would not necessarily prevent a career in aero, but it may make getting that break harder.

Mech eng is a fantastic general degree though. Like you say, it doesn't limit you much in terms of what industry you can enter whether it be motorsport/automotive/aerospace or something else entirely.

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czt wrote:
wrcsti wrote:
czt wrote:I'd disagree with the choice of MechEng - an aeronautical degree would still offer plenty of general mechanical knowledge but would be so much more appropriate for aerodynamics. If you did choose mechanical then i'd suggest taking any optional aero modules and doing your final yeah project on an aero subject.
Why? I pretty much have loved aero as far back as i remember. Heck I use aero every day to get my boxy car to get 35 mpg highway. I am gonna most likely do either a minor in mech and major in aero or major in mech. I have a friend that works for Pratt and Whitney and he has told me the best way is to go through mech as you have a bigger matress to fall back on if aero doesn't work out. And gives you room for change.
The aero content in a Mech degree will most likely be pretty limited compared to that in an aeronautical degree, so if the aim is to be a racecar aerodynamicist I think it would be more appropriate. Having said that doing mech eng would not necessarily prevent a career in aero, but it may make getting that break harder.

Mech eng is a fantastic general degree though. Like you say, it doesn't limit you much in terms of what industry you can enter whether it be motorsport/automotive/aerospace or something else entirely.
Let me be honest. I'm on a 4-year MEng course in aeronautical engineering, and have friends in chemEng and mechEng. In the first two years of my course, ive done two aerodynamics modules and stuff of aircraft performance and the dynamics of flight. So the only directly-relevant aero stuff that ive done are the two aerodynamics modules. this is very similar to what my friends have done in their mecheng and chemeng degrees, but I am not sure as to what depth their aero/fluid mech courses went into. of course, my aero courses have had to cover supersonic and compressible flow while the students in mecheng and chemeng couldnt really care less (at least in their second year of undergrad studies!). however, in the third and fourth years one gets many, many more options to choose what to specialise in, and our course the option to do CFD is a much more prevalent one than in a Mecheng degree, i suspect.

if you want to be an aerodynamicist in motorsports i would definitely recommend doing aeronautical engineering at a uni that has links with the motorsports industry. that way you can get your hands dirty by helping out in research projects in the summers and then hopefully do a research project of your own in the area of racecar aerodynamics. its also possible to be sponsored by F1 teams for your final year research, as has been the case many times in my department. these students have then gone on to join different F1 teams.

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tahadar wrote: if you want to be an aerodynamicist in motorsports i would definitely recommend doing aeronautical engineering at a uni that has links with the motorsports industry. that way you can get your hands dirty by helping out in research projects in the summers and then hopefully do a research project of your own in the area of racecar aerodynamics. its also possible to be sponsored by F1 teams for your final year research, as has been the case many times in my department. these students have then gone on to join different F1 teams.
Southampton by any chance?

Do you know what kind of roles graduates from your course have moved into, apart from aerodyamics/aerospace?

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Talking about Southampton, which MSc is the best to your eyes, the Race Car Aerodynamics one, or the Aerodynamics and Computation.

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Which major uni in the UK has connections with F1 teams? I know Imperial College is one of them. What are the others?

thanks

tahadar
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czt wrote:
tahadar wrote: if you want to be an aerodynamicist in motorsports i would definitely recommend doing aeronautical engineering at a uni that has links with the motorsports industry. that way you can get your hands dirty by helping out in research projects in the summers and then hopefully do a research project of your own in the area of racecar aerodynamics. its also possible to be sponsored by F1 teams for your final year research, as has been the case many times in my department. these students have then gone on to join different F1 teams.
Southampton by any chance?

Do you know what kind of roles graduates from your course have moved into, apart from aerodyamics/aerospace?
Imperial actually! its funny that you brought up the 'other roles' topic. i think about 70% of the aeronautical eng graduates go straight into.....banking *sigh*.

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Quick thread hijack in process...

I'm thinking about writing a Race Technician manual of sorts... all of the little but essential bits of experience and knowledge that it takes to run / look after / prepare a competition car from the workshop to the track and to do it successfully. Would anyone be interested in something like this? Real world, hard won, up to date knowledge that has been accrued through actually being there and doing it?

The only stumbling block I can see with it is that more often that not people want to be race engineers or aero engineers etc. rather than race technicians (see race mechanic) and they might not think that they need to know this sort of information when actually they do. Saying that, I have seen first hand people that have two first class motorsport related degrees (bearing in mind you have to be a very clever cookie to achieve this) that could not rattle a spanner to save their lives and do not possess the most basic of knowledge of how to look after a race car. (even though they think that hey do) Sure I could talk to them for hours about the finer points of thermal dynamics but most of them would struggle to wire up a twelve volt battery, let alone know how to secure it in the car!

The information and tit bits in my brain could save anyone years in acquiring the information I have and save them making the same mistakes whilst at the same time arming them with the same knowledge that I have built up... something no amount of theory in a classroom will. The sort of stuff that anyone working at a hands on level in the sport should know.

Do you guys think there is a market for this information?
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Scuderia_Russ wrote:Quick thread hijack in process...

I'm thinking about writing a Race Technician manual of sorts... all of the little but essential bits of experience and knowledge that it takes to run / look after / prepare a competition car from the workshop to the track and to do it successfully. Would anyone be interested in something like this? Real world, hard won, up to date knowledge that has been accrued through actually being there and doing it?

The only stumbling block I can see with it is that more often that not people want to be race engineers or aero engineers etc. rather than race technicians (see race mechanic) and they might not think that they need to know this sort of information when actually they do. Saying that, I have seen first hand people that have two first class motorsport related degrees (bearing in mind you have to be a very clever cookie to achieve this) that could not rattle a spanner to save their lives and do not possess the most basic of knowledge of how to look after a race car. (even though they think that hey do) Sure I could talk to them for hours about the finer points of thermal dynamics but most of them would struggle to wire up a twelve volt battery, let alone know how to secure it in the car!

The information and tit bits in my brain could save anyone years in acquiring the information I have and save them making the same mistakes whilst at the same time arming them with the same knowledge that I have built up... something no amount of theory in a classroom will. The sort of stuff that anyone working at a hands on level in the sport should know.

Do you guys think there is a market for this information?

I'd happily learn some of this information. Im studying Mech-Eng nextyear at uni nextyear and i'm worried that there will not be enough practical. I completely agree that its one thing knowing the theory but until you put this into practice its not worth much. Luckily my dad has a small workshop so im more hands on than most people i know my age. Im worried that my uni doesnt do any kind of formula-student yet. Hopefully i'l be able to get it up and running.
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Gonner,

I work for a small aircraft engineering firm in Southern California. I'm a mechanical systems guy, but most of the company's employees are aero guys. We have a few PhD's and some MSc's doing aero analysis. Mostly, these aero guys all come from just a few schools here in the U.S. The University of Michigan, MIT, Georgia Tech and Virgina Tech.

While working in F1 may sound glamorous, the number of aero engineering jobs is very limited. I've worked for a race team and I now work in aerospace. Aerospace engineering pays way better.

If you have the option of going to school here in the states and want to study aero engineering, I would highly recommend checking out the aero departments at the schools listed above.

Good Luck,
Terry
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A: Start with a large one!"

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huy. my name is daniyal and i am currently studying mechanical engineering in pakistan..I want to know that is it necessary to learn catia or uni grapihics because as far as i know pro-engineer can also be used in place of catia and it is a more advanced tool. So please elaborate what are the main differences between them.After doing my B.E. from pakistan i want to do M.S. from either U.S. or canada in aerodynamics. So please tell me which place is best suited to study aerodynamics