Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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bar555
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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COCKPIT ZONE
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The front side impact crash structure remains uncovered for the F10 , just like the F60 , but two triangular fins were added on each side of the cockpit , just in front of the crash structure .


FRONT WHEELS

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Apart from the wheel fairing absence , it is interesting to observe that the wheel nut has been increased now in size .


SIDEPOD PANELS
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They look very similar to the ones used by the F60 during the last 2009 races . The only striking difference between the two configurations is the number of the mounting elements , reduced to one in F10 from two in F60 .


EXHAUSTS
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Not only the exhausts pipes are blowing closer to the centre of the car to permit a more slim rear end but the whole exhaust system seems to be refined in order to offer a more compact body design and a cleaner airflow towards the rear wing .
To make such a configuration possible the mechanics placed the exhaust pipes inclined backwards and closer to the centre of the car . I assume this may intense the heating problems and maybe that’s why the F10 features large hot air exiting cuts at the rear. This idea is not new as it was already used in F2005 and Sauber C24 in 2005 .

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HOT AIR EXITS
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The F60 features a small cut where the engine cover meats the rear suspension covering , a similar approach was chosen for the F60 during the first races of the 2009 season . The F60 cooling needs depended greatly by the track conditions and through the 2009 season many different types of cuts for aiding cooling were presented . The F10 even features large hot air exits at the rear , like F60 ( pre and after Spain opening type ) but now they seem to be a bit larger .

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REAR LIGHT
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DIFFUSER
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The F10 ‘s diffuser has a completely new central part , resembling to a Triple Deck one , with three large main centre openings .It is though amazing how large is the third upper opening . Apart from this , the side parts are not altered dramatically , featuring a single vertical element . The new nose cone was possibly designed to feed better the new TDD .
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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Outstanding work and a great contribution to the forum.

One small quibble: you say,
"the F10 is not a new car but rather a heavily modified F60 with a new nose , rear end , DD Diffuser and a longer wheelbase"
I'd call it a new car, including all you mentioned, plus new side pods, air intake, exhaust system, deletion of KERS, and more.

But that's just an opionion -- your work is great.
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

bar555
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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F10 gives me the impression that it is derived from F60 and haven't been designed from blank sheet .
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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From what I can see, the F10 may well be an updated model of the F60 but if you remember, Ferrari stopped the development of their car mid-season to concentrate their efforts on this season.
They got off on the wrong foot without the DDD and would have been playing catch up from there onwards. But instead, I think anyway, that they saw last season like huge test, bringing new parts to test for this year, hence the similarities with last year's car.

Why go back to the drawing board anyway when this seasons rules have hardly changed?
(I would be more surprised next year if the car is just an updated F10)

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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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I don´t understand why they one one hand stopped development on the F60 early on last year to come back with a consevative design very much based on what they ticked off last year as not worth developping further...

TRICKLE69
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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HOT AIR EXITS
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REAR LIGHT
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I wonder if that hole in the rear light housing is connected to the hole right below the center hot air exit from the engine cover?? Both hole's were not on the F60.
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bar555
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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TRICKLE69 , i do not see any connection between the rear light hole and the center hot air exit from the engine cover . Nevertheless the subject is not closed yet

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FRONT SUSPENSION
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Some minor changes have taken place also to the suspension arm and upper wishbone joint to the nose .



REAR SUSPENSION
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Ferrari prefered to stick to the push rod rear suspension type for the F10 instead of following the pull rod one presented by Red Bull RB5 , thus the rear end of the car remaines significantly high but not as high as that of F60 ( take look how sculpted is the F10 suspension’s carbon covering )



NOSE RAISED UPPER SECTION
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TRICKLE69
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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[quote="bar555"]TRICKLE69 , i do not see any connection between the rear light hole and the center hot air exit from the engine cover . Nevertheless the subject is not closed yet

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First I would like to say thanks for all of your pics!!! They are really amazing and this forum would not be what it is without your pics!!

About the "hole" I was referring to....In the first pic in my post, there is a hole right in between the wing supports which you can see in the above pic but looks like it maybe closed in the above pic. It is on the flat surface on top of the rear crash structure right between the wing supports. Thanks again Bar!!!
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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The bit immediately behind that in between the crash structure and the 'hole' you see, looks like it has an aero capacity, or something was there that is now gone.

Kinda heart shaped, looks like it channels whatever air there into an upward flowing single point.
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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Might the 'hole' on the rear light housing be where the starter shaft goes? I don't see one lower down on the diffuser like the F60, and there was talk that the engine and transmission have been packaged at an angle to allow for the most possible airflow to the diffuser.

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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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Good point with the angled engine that is likely the engine starter hole.

Maybe there is a universal joint linking to the drive shaft as well, as it does seem a little on the high side, unless they REALLY angled that engine. Would make sense to keep the diffuser from being compromised from the hole they had before.
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hpras
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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Then again, the more I look at this, the more I see what looks like a starter hole below the light housing, just above the horizontal plan of the diffuser. Looks kinda 'U' shaped.

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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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That's our spotter high on the prowl.....


attaboy bar555, good work (as always) 8)

bar555
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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hpras , the engine starter motor can be connected via a socket inside the diffuser ( in yellow box ) . The V shaped element ( in yellow circle ) helps and guides the engine starter motor operator to connect it properly .


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TRICKLE69 , I know to what hole you are reffering to ( in green circle ) and here is another image of it , but this hole and the rear light hole seems to function for different purposes . The first one helps cooling gearbox abd transmission parts , while the second one seems to be just an opening to a screw that helps mechanics to rip off the rear crash structure . Anyway this is my point of view , till we have more pictures .
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hpras
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60

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Yeah, I spotted that right after my first assumption. It is still rather quite a bit higher than on the F60 though.

Awesome job bar555.

Cheers