As a whole I think its an extremely condensed "introduction to race car engineering/project management", where how much you learn is dependent on how much effort you put into it....
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University only requires a capital U when it is the name of a particular place. When it is just used as a the noun a lower case u is correct.johnny99 wrote:First, lesson 1. In your post, you have missed a capital I, University is spelt with a capital U. Everything is in the detail, and if you send in a CV with spelling like that it will end up in the bin, like 98% of all CV's[plurals don't need an apostrophe].ashf1mclaren wrote:i am thats what A-levels are then to uni to study aerodynamics and astronautics but what advice for getting into top motorsport
Go to University and do a Master's in Mechanical or Aeronautical Engineering.
Get involved in FSAE as Steve said.
Voulenteer[Volunteer] for any work in a race team, or start with a local small garage. It[If] you only make tea, someday somebody will give you a more responsible job.
Pulications like Race Car Engineering and Race Engine Technology are very good reading, and this Forum[forum - it's not the proper noun in this case] is excellent study. Books from Carrol Smith, Joseph Katz and Milliken are very good.
Keep sending CV's[see above] , [;] don't stop. Remember, this is not 9 to 5, the hours are relentless, but it is a most rewarding life, best of luck.
John
Indeed so. Tertiary education is as much about growing up as it is learning 'stuff' - at least it is when you're only 18-22 years old.Jersey Tom wrote:Bear in mind also.. your outlook on life is going to be much different when you get to college than where you're at now. Also going to change when you graduate.
Don't just lock yourself into 1 career path with no other options...
That's actually all racing job...lolriff_raff wrote:
And most importantly, don't get involved in a serious relationship. Your race engineering job will not pay well, will require lots of hours, and will require lots of travel. None of these are conducive to a good relationship.
John it's a good thing your not applying for a Job!!! I always wanted to be an English teacher now I ARE ONEjohnny99 wrote:First, lesson 1. In your post, you have missed a capital I, University is spelt with a capital U. Everything is in the detail, and if you send in a CV with spelling like that it will end up in the bin, like 98% of all CV's.ashf1mclaren wrote:i am thats what A-levels are then to uni to study aerodynamics and astronautics but what advice for getting into top motorsport
Go to University and do a Master's in Mechanical or Aeronautical Engineering.
Get involved in FSAE as Steve said.
Voulenteer for any work in a race team, or start with a local small garage. It you only make tea, someday somebody will give you a more responsible job.
Pulications like Race Car Engineering and Race Engine Technology are very good reading, and this Forum is excellent study. Books from Carrol Smith, Joseph Katz and Milliken are very good.
Keep sending CV's, don't stop. Remember, this is not 9 to 5, the hours are relentless, but it is a most rewarding life, best of luck.
John
Your or you're?speedsense wrote:
John it's a good thing your not applying for a Job!!! I always wanted to be an English teacher now I ARE ONE
mep wrote:marcush I don't know how you got that impression of FSAE in Germany, I tell you the one I got and I don’t want to defend it. I also see it very critical:
Nobody on our school ever talked about getting a job in F1 by this. (Maybe some thought about it). It feels like in Germany it’s not really accepted when you want to work for a race team. People look at this like a childish dream.
So FSAE is more about doing a high demanding project together. It is important that you take responsibility, organize the stuff, share your work, solve conflicts, apply your skills...
In the end it doesn't matter if you build a race car or something else.
After that they want you to work in company X which usually has nothing to do with motorsports.
I don't think Formula student is really that much about doing motorsports. I even wonder if it counts as motorsport experience.
Don't judge the work done just when you look at the cars. Some cars might be not very good but you must know the story behind it. Some teams are really small like 10 people or even less or they don't get any support by their school. During the project many conflicts rise up because you don't have such a fixed hierarchical structure like you usually have in a company.
I have been on a Formula Student team and have mixed feelings about it but I agree completely with the above statement. In FS or FSAE hard work pays off, especially if you go in with an open mind willing to learn as much as you can. Projects can become very time consuming and involve long days and nights and if you have the passion to do it there, you probably can make it in motorsport. I don't think it is good experience for motorsport if you want to be at the track, but the design and project management skills that you can develop will help you in the engineering office.RacingManiac wrote: ....
As a whole I think its an extremely condensed "introduction to race car engineering/project management", where how much you learn is dependent on how much effort you put into it....
The car always comes first, at least that was how we ran our team. But we had the luxury of being able to recruit some business minded people to work on sponsorship and promo side of things, and free of us engineering type to do what we want. But stuff like design report, cost report and others are part of competition, much like ANY racing series you do the best you can to maximize your winning under the rule set, as a result you have to pay attention to it. Realistically though stuff you are required in the static events are good practices one should be keeping track of when designing stuff. Just so you can review it to make sure --- gets done soundly. Even the business side of things is still required, since for most teams we raise our own budget, and just like any form of racing, no money, no car....Some smaller team might not be so lucky in that the engineering type have to juggle with that responsibilities too.marcush. wrote: your words reflect exactly my feelings .
These have not the passion for motorsports.I can`t accept this .I refuse to . engineering ,in Racing or in reaal life is passion .If it is boring to the guy or girl ,i´m at a loss to figure out just why you should do it.
If I´m a team of only 10 people the priorities will still be the same :produce a decent result -the car- not the documentation ,not the website,not the fancy random stuff ..maybe I´m too harsh there and apologise to all those who have the passion for putting them into the same bag...