Your thoughts on who will win the teammate rivalries 2013?

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LionKing
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I think Massa outqualified Alonso @ Australia, Malaysia and Germany so qualy matchup should be 6-3.

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LionKing wrote:I think Massa outqualified Alonso @ Australia, Malaysia and Germany so qualy matchup should be 6-3.
Yes it should indeed.

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I must say - it feels good to have a fact/stat-based "index" for this purpose, even if it's a rudimentary home-made index.
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I feel that Grosjean was at least as good as Kimi this weekend. He was way ahead of him before the safety car. Then the safety car came and gave Kimi 10 seconds for free and removed the tyre advantage that Grosjean had gotten from running longer on the first stint, as everyone could pit again and change their tyres. And then finally, team orders prevented Grosjean from staying ahead of Kimi. But all our stats say is that Kimi out-qualified Grosjean, out-raced him and out-scored him. I think this also illustrates why qualifying shouldn't be an independent part of this. Grosjean's extra speed on the first stint was more valuable in real life than Kimi's extra speed in qualifying, as he moved in front of him. But in our system, it's the other way around.

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Lewis has really stepped it up the past 3 race weekends, only in Spain and Monaco has Nico had the measure of Lewis. Perez and Button is a bit closer than those stats make out, Perez has retired in front of Button a few times if I recall correctly.

Those stats are quite reflected elsewhere though, =D>

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It´s quite interesting hearing people quickly concluding that maybe Schumacher wasn´t that off in his comeback as people thought.
Which probably is true however there are consequences for it.
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Schumacher was comprehensibly beaten by Rosberg over 3 seasons. How is that in any way a good showing by Schumacher?
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To be fair, Schumi did improve in 2012 and had a bit of bad fortune along the way that contributed into Rosberg beating him.

That said, I wish he had stayed retired. Whilst he did not win his last season in 2006, I thought it was a good way to go out near to the top of his game.

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Just_a_fan wrote:Schumacher was comprehensibly beaten by Rosberg over 3 seasons. How is that in any way a good showing by Schumacher?
Just when Rosberg took three poles, stories came out that Schumacher maybe wasn´t that bad after all.
(meaning Hamilton ins´t really that good, compared to how Rosberg did.

So my point was, ok where are these guys now? I think even with problems, Hamilton is definitely showing the consistency in qualifying compared to Rosberg,

(edit: i should say i don´t think Schumi has lost one bit, just never went head to head against a top driver before in the same machinery)
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Comparing Schumacher to Hamilton or Rosberg is a waste of time.
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scuderiafan wrote:Comparing Schumacher 2.0 to Hamilton or Rosberg is a waste of time.

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Stradivarius wrote:I feel that Grosjean was at least as good as Kimi this weekend. He was way ahead of him before the safety car. Then the safety car came and gave Kimi 10 seconds for free and removed the tyre advantage that Grosjean had gotten from running longer on the first stint, as everyone could pit again and change their tyres. And then finally, team orders prevented Grosjean from staying ahead of Kimi. But all our stats say is that Kimi out-qualified Grosjean, out-raced him and out-scored him. I think this also illustrates why qualifying shouldn't be an independent part of this. Grosjean's extra speed on the first stint was more valuable in real life than Kimi's extra speed in qualifying, as he moved in front of him. But in our system, it's the other way around.
Kimi and Grosjean had simluar speed during the first stint, the only difference was that Lotus pitted Kimi much earlier and placed him traffic, while Grosjean was running in clear air with faster tyres. It was a tactical error to pit Kimi to early, he had to clear Lewis, Rosberg, Hulkenberg, Alonso & Riccardo and that is why he was 10 seconds behind.

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scuderiafan wrote:Comparing Schumacher to Hamilton or Rosberg is a waste of time.
It seems to depend on the situation. When Rosberg banked three straight poles it was all of a sudden a perfect time.
Now, not so much.
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SectorOne wrote:
scuderiafan wrote:Comparing Schumacher to Hamilton or Rosberg is a waste of time.
It seems to depend on the situation. When Rosberg banked three straight poles it was all of a sudden a perfect time.
Now, not so much.
The only thing that comparison was good for was to make a broader audience realize that Rosberg's not half-bad, and thus Schumi's return was not as bad as it seems. Any comparison beyond that generalization is, and always has been, a waste of time.

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SectorOne wrote:
scuderiafan wrote:Comparing Schumacher to Hamilton or Rosberg is a waste of time.
It seems to depend on the situation. When Rosberg banked three straight poles it was all of a sudden a perfect time.
Now, not so much.
Rosberg did a bit more than that with two wins :)