2016 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 07-09 October

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SectorOne wrote:
AMG.Tzan wrote:Still waiting for that huge accident Verstappen is gonna cause by moving at the last moment before braking!!
Not before. During braking. I´m still amazed FIA just let´s it fly every single time he does it.
Did you forget LH - MV 'pure racers' backslapping after moves that were 10 times dirtier?

- Rosberg - dominant win, probably luck,
- Hamilton just panics at starts this season, you know why he talked about them and why I mentioned it. He's lucky competition is pathetic when he does it: Monza, here, Australia, Bahrain. Although engines must work extra hard :D.
- if he was better at Q, at starts and had better pace he'd be winning everything, unfortunately it's the opposite.

- Haas wasted Grosjean's excellent (2nd stint pace compared to Force India and overtakes) race with a pitstop
Please do not start your conspiracy theories.

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iotar__ wrote:ange at Ferrari switching team-mates positions, they used to do bad pitstops, so much faith in their 2nd driver, quickly justified.
Considering Vettel had 3 gearbox penalties this year, I seriously doubt that.

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LionKing wrote:
AMG.Tzan wrote:
LionKing wrote: Watching from Lewis's camera from behind, I think this move was very Kosher.
That's right...during braking!! I mean ok very nice defending from him but that last bit was awful...that's what led to Alonso taking off into the wall in Australia!
He made one blocking move to the inside but Lewis was fully behind of him.
You dont move in braking zones, period.

I´m hoping one of these guys just decide to not take evasive action and plows straight into him.
Seems to be the only way for him to learn. Everytime he moves in a braking zone, take him clean out.
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SectorOne wrote: I´m hoping one of these guys just decide to not take evasive action and plows straight into him.
Seems to be the only way for him to learn. Everytime he moves in a braking zone, take him clean out.
:wtf:

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Out of all races with normal starts (16) Mercedes have only been 1&2 after lap 1 once (Hungary) such a bizarre stat for this season.

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In spite of the result, the title is far from over.

Lewis needs the Austria to Germany sequence of results, for both himself and Rosberg, then he wins by 10 points. If Lewis were to win all the races, Rosberg would need three 2nd places and one 3rd place, a sequence he has only managed once in his Mercedes career (Malaysia to Spain 2014).

That excludes ill-fortune from reliability of course. Any sort of failure for Rosberg and I'd bet on Hamilton. No failures for either driver, its a coin flip. We still don't know how Rosberg will cope when a title is actually on the line (in his favour).

Races like this make it so much easier for Rosberg though.
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iotar__ wrote:
SectorOne wrote:
AMG.Tzan wrote:Still waiting for that huge accident Verstappen is gonna cause by moving at the last moment before braking!!
Not before. During braking. I´m still amazed FIA just let´s it fly every single time he does it.
Did you forget LH - MV 'pure racers' backslapping after moves that were 10 times dirtier?

- Rosberg - dominant win, probably luck,
- Hamilton just panics at starts this season, you know why he talked about them and why I mentioned it. He's lucky competition is pathetic when he does it: Monza, here, Australia, Bahrain. Although engines must work extra hard :D.
- if he was better at Q, at starts and had better pace he'd be winning everything, unfortunately it's the opposite.

- Haas wasted Grosjean's excellent (2nd stint pace compared to Force India and overtakes) race with a pitstop
- Fake gearbox change at Ferrari switching team-mates positions, they used to do bad pitstops, so much faith in their 2nd driver, quickly justified.
So remind us of a dirty move by Hamilton that put another driver in danger...! We know your beloved Rosberg won today(and probably the championship with 3 fewer engines) =D> but it's ok sometimes to accept that your rival was in a position that could have cost him many more than just 10 points!
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Somebody should send Sebastian Vettel a blue flag this Christmas, he's been asking for it all year.

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
iotar__ wrote:
SectorOne wrote: Not before. During braking. I´m still amazed FIA just let´s it fly every single time he does it.
Did you forget LH - MV 'pure racers' backslapping after moves that were 10 times dirtier?

- Rosberg - dominant win, probably luck,
- Hamilton just panics at starts this season, you know why he talked about them and why I mentioned it. He's lucky competition is pathetic when he does it: Monza, here, Australia, Bahrain. Although engines must work extra hard :D.
- if he was better at Q, at starts and had better pace he'd be winning everything, unfortunately it's the opposite.

- Haas wasted Grosjean's excellent (2nd stint pace compared to Force India and overtakes) race with a pitstop
- Fake gearbox change at Ferrari switching team-mates positions, they used to do bad pitstops, so much faith in their 2nd driver, quickly justified.
So remind us of a dirty move by Hamilton that put another driver in danger...! We know your beloved Rosberg won today(and probably the championship with 3 fewer engines) =D> but it's ok sometimes to accept that your rival was in a position that could have cost him many more than just 10 points!
Rosberg had the failures last year, this year it's Lewis' turn.

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I personally would punish Lewis for not driving normally on the track. U have no right to just drive on the escape road just because u want to. He had enough braking space and space to turn into the corner. Yes he would lose more time, but no matter what, track limits should be considered at every time as much as u can. He didnt put any effort into making that corner. And that is not acceptable for me. Aparently drivers became much too comfortable with cutting corners wherever they like doing it no matter what reason they have. Back in the day when F1 racing was still respected, bounderies were in place on corners where cutting could occur. But in modern time they drive all over the place and people even being happy for it, because they would be angry if the driver they are rooting for would retire from the race when making a mistake, or driving off the track....
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proteus wrote:I personally would punish Lewis for not driving normally on the track. U have no right to just drive on the escape road just because u want to. He had enough braking space and space to turn into the corner. Yes he would lose more time, but no matter what, track limits should be considered at every time as much as u can. He didnt put any effort into making that corner. And that is not acceptable for me. Aparently drivers became much too comfortable with cutting corners wherever they like doing it no matter what reason they have. Back in the day when F1 racing was still respected, bounderies were in place on corners where cutting can occur. But in modern time they drive all over the place and people even being happy for it, because they would be angry if the driver they are rooting for would retire from the race when making a mistake, or driving off the track....
#-o

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Tom145145 wrote:
proteus wrote:I personally would punish Lewis for not driving normally on the track. U have no right to just drive on the escape road just because u want to. He had enough braking space and space to turn into the corner. Yes he would lose more time, but no matter what, track limits should be considered at every time as much as u can. He didnt put any effort into making that corner. And that is not acceptable for me. Aparently drivers became much too comfortable with cutting corners wherever they like doing it no matter what reason they have. Back in the day when F1 racing was still respected, bounderies were in place on corners where cutting can occur. But in modern time they drive all over the place and people even being happy for it, because they would be angry if the driver they are rooting for would retire from the race when making a mistake, or driving off the track....
#-o
U can scratch the head however u want, but the sport is just a pail shadow of its former glory. They could relocate the races on airfields and let them drive all over the place, so lighthearted fans would be satisfied.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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proteus wrote:
Tom145145 wrote:
proteus wrote:I personally would punish Lewis for not driving normally on the track. U have no right to just drive on the escape road just because u want to. He had enough braking space and space to turn into the corner. Yes he would lose more time, but no matter what, track limits should be considered at every time as much as u can. He didnt put any effort into making that corner. And that is not acceptable for me. Aparently drivers became much too comfortable with cutting corners wherever they like doing it no matter what reason they have. Back in the day when F1 racing was still respected, bounderies were in place on corners where cutting can occur. But in modern time they drive all over the place and people even being happy for it, because they would be angry if the driver they are rooting for would retire from the race when making a mistake, or driving off the track....
#-o
U can scratch the head however u want, but the sport is just a pail shadow of its former glory.
That's got nothing to do with the incident.

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proteus wrote:I personally would punish Lewis for not driving normally on the track. U have no right to just drive on the escape road just because u want to. He had enough braking space and space to turn into the corner. Yes he would lose more time, but no matter what, track limits should be considered at every time as much as u can. He didnt put any effort into making that corner. And that is not acceptable for me. Aparently drivers became much too comfortable with cutting corners wherever they like doing it no matter what reason they have. Back in the day when F1 racing was still respected, bounderies were in place on corners where cutting could occur. But in modern time they drive all over the place and people even being happy for it, because they would be angry if the driver they are rooting for would retire from the race when making a mistake, or driving off the track....
I imagine having to drive around Verstappen after committing to the inside meant he had to ease off the brakes somewhat. I think Hamilton would have stayed on track if he could. But rather take to the escape road than drag your entire car over the curbs. That is why it's there after all.