McLaren MP4-12C

[segedunum]

Lawrence is the one who likes to pick up on something that everyone and their dog already knows, like McLaren one day making their own F1 engine, and then publishing it like he's the only man in the world smart enough to have figured it out.

Well, yer. He acts as if he's found something groundbreaking.

It was obvious that McLaren wanted to make their own cars, obvious Mercedes were going to see that as a conflict, it was obvious Mercedes wanted to take over the team and organisation and obvious that McLaren wanted to stay independent and it was obvious why. Everybody knew all that.

It's just a validation piece on the direction McLaren are going in. I'd certainly like to see McLaren succeed and I love their new car, but with the debt they have incurred, the costs involved and the [luxury] car market being frought with danger right now I found the article a bit pointless. He went into none of that.

[Pup]

There's some interesting info revealed through this press release...

http://www.easier.com/71913-carbo-tech- ... coque.html

First, I'd figured that McLaren would be producing the tubs themselves - very surprised to see that they're outsourcing it.

Secondly, we can guess the cost of the tub - if they expect €20m for 4,000 units their biggest year, that means a cost to McLaren of €5,000 per tub.

Thirdly, the terms of the contract tell us pretty much what McLaren's sales goals are: €150m @ €5,000 per tub is 30,000 units total, or 3,750 per year on average over the 8-year contract. That's pretty close to the maximum of 4,000 per year, which would mean that McLaren predict a pretty short ramp.

[marcush.]

hm head scratching there...of course in the automotive field you are negotiating
on a target ...and price reductions are normal over time ..pretty sure Macs do not do this differently .I´d guess they allow for the ramp up and drop of sales towards the EOP with the tolerances allowed for ordering which would be 20% so the
maximum productivity number would have to allow for this as well...
so maybe the unit price is more like 6250€ ?

[Tim.Wright]

There's some interesting info revealed through this press release...

http://www.easier.com/71913-carbo-tech- ... coque.html

First, I'd figured that McLaren would be producing the tubs themselves - very surprised to see that they're outsourcing it.

Secondly, we can guess the cost of the tub - if they expect €20m for 4,000 units their biggest year, that means a cost to McLaren of €5,000 per tub.

Thirdly, the terms of the contract tell us pretty much what McLaren's sales goals are: €150m @ €5,000 per tub is 30,000 units total, or 3,750 per year on average over the 8-year contract. That's pretty close to the maximum of 4,000 per year, which would mean that McLaren predict a pretty short ramp.

I'm missing something in your maths there. How did you get 5000€ per tub? That seems awfully cheap to me. My guess would be up near 10-15,000€ per piece. Having said that, I don't have any experience with such high volumes.

Regarding the outsourcing, this doesn't surprise me. They have probably set up only an engineering base initially and then got all the manufacturing done outside with perhaps only assembly being done at Mclaren. This is not abnormal. Airbus and Boeing work in a very similar way.

Saves capital on massive non recurring costs like autclaves, NC machines etc. I imagine using the F1 teams facilities is completely out of the question since they would be too busy.

Anyway, those last 2 paragraphs are only speculation, just pointing out its not a bad/uncommon thing if they have gone in the outsourcing direction.

Tim

[marcush.]

what was done with the facilities in Southhampton ? is this Mercedes territory or completely given up?

[Pup]

I'm missing something in your maths there. How did you get 5000€ per tub? That seems awfully cheap to me.

I'm just dividing the highest yearly income they list, €20m, by their maximum projected output, 4,000 units. Marcush makes a good point though about these being targets. But yeah, the number surprised me, too. Maybe that's one of the reasons they seem so confident about the venture. I'd love to know similar details about their engine contract.

[Pup]

Nice...

Progressing faster than first expected, McLaren is planning to launch a successor to its iconic F1 model in 2012. Word of McLaren’s new-age F1 program surfaced in early 2009, but it was believed the new supercar wouldn’t bow until at least 2014.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/mclaren-f1- ... -2012.html

[747heavy]

suspension/damper detail

http://files.engineering.com/download.a ... hassis.jpg

[xpensive]

Holy shite, investment cast suspension parts, pure engineering pornography...a crying shame with that horizontal bolt being 7.0 mm too long though.

[747heavy]

some info´s to be found here:
http://www.motorward.com/2010/03/full-d ... n-mp4-12c/

Enjoy

[Just_a_fan]

That car is going to be the best supercar for a decade. I can already see the reveiws. The MP4-12C will knock everything in its sector in to a cocked hat but the reviewers will ahve to say things like "not as much soul as a Ferrari" etc. just to keep the competitors happy. It'll also give Ferrari drivers something to cling to as the car they should have boiught gets the plaudits.

[marcush.]

impressive that

for sure a Porsche turbo has a lot on offer but has it more soul than this mac?

how many miles ,err kilometers will they have amassed when the first cars will be delivered to customers?

if they got 20 cars running already (not all of them on endurance testing of course)that could be a lot of mileage already...and would compare well to the standards set.This is a serious business.

[Just_a_fan]

This is a serious business.

Ron Dennis only does 'serious' when he's doing business.

I have no doubt that the new McLaren will be as well tested as any car on the market (and probably a lot more so than most supercars).

I also have no doubt that customer service for those unlucky enough to have a problem with the new car will be second to none.

[747heavy]

some info, videos and photos from the production:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/07/mc ... -goodwood/

[marcush.]

that company is really tech pornography...

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/03 ... -line.aspx