Sebastian Vetel has won the Japanese Grand Prix thanks to a masterful drive all the way from the start to the finish. Button's championship lead is now cut to 16 points and everything is still possible. Jarno Trulli finished second, Lewis Hamilton third.
ESPImperium wrote:Im shure if the FIA wanted to, they could have a thing put thrugh the ECU where it is connected to the RPM limiter where drivers going thru the yellow flag section get their RPM maxed to arround 12000rpm in the maximum gear of say 4th gear, limiting them to a maximum of 150Kph to 200Kph for example.
We have the ability now, why the hell dont the FIA use it???
Drivers object to the control being taken out of their hands. It is a bit of responsibility to observe caution lights, but not too much. I find the current practise quite ok. If you are suspect to disregarding yellow you have to demonstrate that you did not set your fastest sector time on that lap. Nothing wrong with it. What Rubens did was pretty dangerous considering the Massa accident. I'm sure getting hit with a complete front wing would have some pretty dangerous aspects.
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ISLAMATRON wrote:I used to think like you, until I saw Alonso slam into Webber's debris in Brazil a couple years back, they have to slow down and take caution or somebody is really really gonna get hurt.
I see your point. But going 95% of the speed is not really slowing down anywhere near enough. It just doesn't work for safety.
Throwing a red flag immediately would let everyone go slow enough.
BTW, why did the marshals let Buemi drive his car back to the pits and then get penalty for that?
At 95% they have reserve grip to make directional changes if need be, but not at Ten/tebths, they are fully committed and the speed dictates where they go.
What were the marshalls gonna do? jump in front of his car and make him stop? Its obvious his car control was lacking today, as a marshal I wouldnt have gone near him.
Well to be fair you can't argue about it much. At the time I thought they'd just let it slide, but it seems they've thrown the book at them, you can't really complain.
Also, nobody asked these teams to leave it to the last minute to get their flying laps.
It shall be an interesting race though, and I think despite being demoted to 9th and having a significantly lighter car than everyone else Sutil can still get some points here. The car seems to be fast on this track.
Then again, so do the Torro Rosso cars, whom are probably the main rivals to Force India. With all these demotions, the 19 year old Alguersari could be looking at his first points. Interesting things for tomorrow. I'm expecting a high attrition race also.
Also, time and time again Button has been in a precarious position only for his rivals to not take the opportunity. He has been very lucky this season in terms of how hard his poor run of form/pace has actually hit his title hopes. I'm expecting more of the same here, some how he's going to get lucky this race and "not so badly" dent his title hopes.
Like they said, the other drivers keep getting an open goal, and completely missing it. Like really horrible Row Z misses.
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In the interest of a longer championship battle I hope that Button gets caught up in some 1st lap trouble that prevents him to score. Normally he would be able to go as high as third or fourth place from where he is starting now.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
THis is perfect.. with Vettel at the front and the two Brawns in the middle.There is Also Alguersuari to slow Button down. This can extend the championship run.
Grid Qualifying Name Weight Fuel (kg) First stint (laps)
1 1 Sebastian Vettel 658.5 53.5 18
2 2 Jarno Trulli 655.5 50.5 17
3 3 Lewis Hamilton 656 51 17
4 6 Nick Heidfeld 660 55 18
5 8 Kimi Raikkonen 661 56 19
6 11 Nico Rosberg 684.5 79.5 27
7 13 Robert Kubica 686 81 28
8 4 Adrian Sutil 650 45 15
9 5 Rubens Barrichelllo 660.5 55.5 19
10 15 Jaime Alguersuari 682.5 77.5 27
11 7 Jenson Button 658.5 53.5 18
12 16 Giancarlo Fisichella 661.5 56.5 19
13 9 Heikki Kovalainen 675 70 24
14 10 Sebastien Buemi 665.4 60.4 20
15 17 Kazuki Nakajima 695.7 90.7 31
16 18 Romain Grosjean 691.8 86.8 30
17 12 Fernando Alonso 689.5 84.5 29
18 19 Vitantonio Liuzzi 682.5 77.5 27
19 14 Timo Glock -605 -221
20 20 Mark Webber -605 -221
Biggest winners from quali other than Vettel is Rosberg and Kubica!! Lots of fuel and a P.6/7 grid slot should make them contenders for big points if they get off the line well.
ISLAMATRON wrote:At 95% they have reserve grip to make directional changes if need be, but not at Ten/tebths, they are fully committed and the speed dictates where they go.
It's not only that much about the car's ability to swerve around debris, it's more about the driver noticing debris, slow cars, track personnel in time and react. 95% of the pace would still be dangerous. In Brazil'03 Alonso simply didn't see that wheel in time.
ISLAMATRON wrote:What were the marshalls gonna do? jump in front of his car and make him stop? Its obvious his car control was lacking today, as a marshal I wouldnt have gone near him.
ESPImperium wrote:Im shure if the FIA wanted to, they could have a thing put thrugh the ECU where it is connected to the RPM limiter where drivers going thru the yellow flag section get their RPM maxed to arround 12000rpm in the maximum gear of say 4th gear, limiting them to a maximum of 150Kph to 200Kph for example.
We have the ability now, why the hell dont the FIA use it???
Drivers object to the control being taken out of their hands. It is a bit of responsibility to observe caution lights, but not too much. I find the current practise quite ok. If you are suspect to disregarding yellow you have to demonstrate that you did not set your fastest sector time on that lap. Nothing wrong with it. What Rubens did was pretty dangerous considering the Massa accident. I'm sure getting hit with a complete front wing would have some pretty dangerous aspects.
Even if they reduced the throttle by 50% using the ECU, there has to be something they could do via the ECU. Or have the little LED lights mounted to the bulkhead like the RB5/STR4 but much larger and on both sides to let drivers know.
They could even get the timing program to delete times if fastest sectors are set in sectors where yellows are out.
There could shurly be something they could do. But one thing that could be done is look at the Suzuka run off areas at Degner and the spoon at their exits.
I think Webber can get well into the points. I imagine they will start on super softs, then one two or three laps later pit for fuel and harder tires. This will keep him out of traffic and in clean air and track. Not having to follow should put him within 30 seconds of the leader at the end. We'll see.
ESPImperium wrote:Im shure if the FIA wanted to, they could have a thing put thrugh the ECU where it is connected to the RPM limiter where drivers going thru the yellow flag section get their RPM maxed to arround 12000rpm in the maximum gear of say 4th gear, limiting them to a maximum of 150Kph to 200Kph for example.
We have the ability now, why the hell dont the FIA use it???
That would be awesome if you were going 250km/h in a long sweeping corner, and your car suddenly downshifted and was forced to 12,000.
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