Red Bull RB6

[ISLAMATRON]

You can kiss good buy to your money then.

Based on what?

The packaging of that car compared to cars like the McLaren is like night and day really (just compare the 2009 car to the 2010 one) and with other teams not running KERS they can't mask their lack of cornering speed. The Renault is also handy on fuel efficiency. The Ferrari is apparently carrying a pretty large fuel tank, McLaren have gizmos all over their car for whatever reason and Mercedes are already off the pace.

maybe you missed this...

08:23 Red Bull missed the first test of the winter at Valencia last week, preferring to spend more time fine-tuning the design in the factory, but Webber does not think this will be a problem: "Valencia is not the best track in the world for characteristics. We'd have liked to be there but I don't think we lost too much."

08:20 Looks like the car continues the trend for longer chassis in 2010 too: "It's a limousine! We had to make it longer."

from Webbo himself... seems like it is actually quite long

[korzeniow]

[Mr Alcatraz]

I think a car with seven wheels won't pass scrutineering!

[wesley123]

if i see it correctly there the second deck is crap lol, that is where the bodywork ends and it seems that there is no thought about how to let it exit, i'd rather placed an gurney in front of the exit to let it exhaust better.

[Giblet]

I feel like delivering mail to the rear of the RB6.

Looks very postal. They should put a red flag to turn up when someone delivers a message.

[zgred]

[Richard]

Good sketch. I wonder how far those channels extend under that bodywork?

Yes the exit looks rudimentary, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a more integrated solution waiting in the factory.

[axle]

Volume is nothing without flow...I expect this flows very well.

[Confused_Andy]

Damn how much of a dissapointment is this to those hoping to see a radical redesign from Newey! haha

[segedunum]

maybe you missed this...

08:23 Red Bull missed the first test of the winter at Valencia last week, preferring to spend more time fine-tuning the design in the factory, but Webber does not think this will be a problem: "Valencia is not the best track in the world for characteristics. We'd have liked to be there but I don't think we lost too much."

Hmmmmmm, no I didn't miss it. They did exactly the same last year and it made no difference at all to them:

http://www.forumula1.net/2009/f1/f1-new ... te-launch/

I had to look at the date on that article because it could have been written now. Then I saw the KERS comments and Webber recovering from his cycling mishap.

08:20 Looks like the car continues the trend for longer chassis in 2010 too: "It's a limousine! We had to make it longer."

from Webbo himself... seems like it is actually quite long

So they're not going to do as well because they've made the car longer..........which is what every other team has had to do or accommodate?

[segedunum]

The RB did not win the championship, a Brawn did therefore it was statistically not the best car. Statistics are what matter as at the end of the year thats what it comes down to.

Yes the Brawn did win..............in 2009...........with a headstart. For 2010 you have to extrapolate those performances, development and speed into another year.

There is ZERO evidence to say this RB6 is even as good as the old car let alone better.

Flawed logic. There is ZERO evidence that the speed advantage that Red Bull had last season is going to magically disappear overnight, especially given that apart from refuelling the regulations are static. When you try and make a reasoned assumption you do so from a known point - and Red Bull were ahead at the end of last season, possibly by some distance. That's what we do know.

It looks pretty much the sameso far, unlike some of the radical designs on say the Mercedes and Mclaren.

Yes, because they were behind............by a long way by the end of last season. McLaren masked quite a bit by using KERS, as did Ferrari.

[Confused_Andy]

The RB did not win the championship, a Brawn did therefore it was statistically not the best car. Statistics are what matter as at the end of the year thats what it comes down to.

Yes the Brawn did win..............in 2009...........with a headstart. For 2010 you have to extrapolate those performances, development and speed into another year.

There is ZERO evidence to say this RB6 is even as good as the old car let alone better.

Flawed logic. There is ZERO evidence that the speed advantage that Red Bull had last season is going to magically disappear overnight, especially given that apart from refuelling the regulations are static. When you try and make a reasoned assumption you do so from a known point - and Red Bull were ahead at the end of last season, possibly by some distance. That's what we do know.

It looks pretty much the sameso far, unlike some of the radical designs on say the Mercedes and Mclaren.

Yes, because they were behind............by a long way by the end of last season. McLaren masked quite a bit by using KERS, as did Ferrari.

Very RB biased post.

The updates to the RB5 to make the RB6 may have made it slower, all the other cars around the field may have gained 1/2 seconds where as Newey placed his bet on a car which was fast last year.

Theres absolutely no evidence to say that this car will be as successful as last years, stop posting your opinions because you love RB so much.

[BreezyRacer]

I suspect that since Newey didn't take the Renault/McLaren route of building maximum diffuser wake by tieing the diffuser exits to the lower wing, he either knows something they don't, or has been caught out in committing to last year's successful design. We'll just have to see how all this unfolds.

And I would also say that this is classic Newey .. everyone else is maximizing the rear diffuser wake while he is actively minimizing it. Not only are the upper diffuser exits small but also note the straight horizontal flow paths out of them. We'll have to see how all this shakes out. We'll also have to see if this is just a rouse to throw everyone off course for a while.

This year's iteration of the DD diffuser, I think, is going to come down to maximizing the diffuser inlets under the car ..

[maciej]

I think a car with seven wheels won't pass scrutineering!

It looks like they have added some kind of sidepods extensions that lead toward the upper diffuser. It seems that when the car was first presented there were no those gray/black elements extending sidepods backward. Am I mistaken?

Also, what is this hole directed backward on the bottom of the sharkfin? The exhausts are on the sidepods.

[thestig84]

given that apart from refuelling the regulations are static. When you try and make a reasoned assumption you do so from a known point - and Red Bull were ahead at the end of last season, possibly by some distance. That's what we do know.

Not just refuelling change. The smaller front tyre gives teams a very big change to get right or wrong. The red bull was hard on its tyres which helped them at the cold venues last year. How do you know last years best car (in your opinion) wont work with the new tyres...for all we know it may chew straight through them, or the rears with the extra fuel weight.

With many unknowns even the teams dont know where they stand, how can you?!