Virgin Racing VR-01 Cosworth

[raymondu999]

You never know. They've got Mr. "Screw it, let's do it" as their boss

[marcush.]

the drawback of CFD is obviously the computing time you will need to run a single iteration at all relevant aspects.
where I was working in the Automotive Industry they used CFD a lot for flow simulations and it was always a matter of deciding just which operating condition was the most useful to look at as the guys where so restricted in computing time available.
So in the end most of the time you had only a snapshot of what could be evaluated because of time constraints.No question ,with a wind tunnel or track testing you will get a broader view in shorter time.
But then i have the feeling that as was said before ,if you got some inspired heads in your team the right ideas get tested and this will avoid some blind alleys.
To me the real issue is not the tunnel nor the cfd but having bright guys or at least ones with a good gut feeling to what directions to take and what to avoid.

[SZ]

To me the real issue is not the tunnel nor the cfd but having bright guys or at least ones with a good gut feeling to what directions to take and what to avoid.

That's the ticket

[marcush.]

isn´t it cool to see that on one hand guys like Newey with a high profile technical background with a degree in Aeronautics in Southampton has not done any better than Rory Byrne who had just a bachelor degree in chemistry and Maths.

[outer_bongolia]

isn´t it cool to see that on one hand guys like Newey with a high profile technical background with a degree in Aeronautics in Southampton has not done any better than Rory Byrne who had just a bachelor degree in chemistry and Maths.

Um... If I really understand what you're saying a hard working engineer had a chance to do better than another hardworking engineer. I do agree with that. By the way, I am not 100% sure but Byrne has more titles, Newey has more grand prix wins, as far as I recall.

But you're thinking a degree in math is not enough to make give you as good of an understanding of airflow as any other engineer. Ahem, you should pay more attention to your math books.

Byrne HAS a bachelor of science degree in engineering, but we will overlook that...

If you also think a degree in Aeronautics is high profile, you should be very careful. There are plenty of jobless people in that field, too.

I think you are trying to claim that a formal education isn't everything and I agree. If you work your arse off, you can succeed with or without a formal ed.

[marcush.]

as always ,I seem to make a mess of a simple statement here... that is what i wanted to say:



I think you are trying to claim that a formal education isn't everything and I agree. If you work your arse off, you can succeed with or without a formal ed.
[/quote]

I wish I had found the right words on my own ,but thanks.

[tok-tokkie]

Googling Rory Byrne will get you references to an Engineering degree. That is false. this is accurate:

Early Career Byrne became interested in motor racing at Witwatersrand University in Johannesburg, South Africa, firstly as a competitor and later the technical aspects of the sport. After graduating in 1965 Byrne began working as a chemist but retained his fascination for racing until by the late 1960's he, with two friends, set up a company importing performance car parts to his native South Africa. It was in this period that he first began to design racing cars, putting to use his mathematical knowledge even though he lacked formal engineering training

I have added the bold
Source:http://www.historicracing.com/index.cfm?fullText=2074
He graduated BSc Chemistry & Applied mathematics.

Another reference confirming that: http://www.southafrica.info/about/sport ... /byrne.htm

[PlatinumZealot]

Maths is everything.. Engineering is basically applied math.. If you give a mathematician an engineering book to internalise it will be no problem for him. Easy cheesy.

What separates the engineer is the way of thinking and "vision." This is something that is a part of you. There are many people that could make great engineers if they only had the chance. Bryne more than likely has the talent that makes a great engineer.

[raymondu999]

So the VR-01 versus the Lotus!! Which do you think will be faster?

[imightbewrong]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/ provides:

[horse]

There is something very duck beak like about its nose cone.

[Crabbia]

Googling Rory Byrne will get you references to an Engineering degree. That is false. this is accurate:

Early Career Byrne became interested in motor racing at Witwatersrand University in Johannesburg, South Africa, firstly as a competitor and later the technical aspects of the sport. After graduating in 1965 Byrne began working as a chemist but retained his fascination for racing until by the late 1960's he, with two friends, set up a company importing performance car parts to his native South Africa. It was in this period that he first began to design racing cars, putting to use his mathematical knowledge even though he lacked formal engineering training

I have added the bold
Source:http://www.historicracing.com/index.cfm?fullText=2074
He graduated BSc Chemistry & Applied mathematics.

Another reference confirming that: http://www.southafrica.info/about/sport ... /byrne.htm

i know i guy that idealised Byrne, im from south africa so he was a bit of a local hero in racing cirles, particularly with ppl of italian decent.

i understood that he had a degree in chemical engineering, so he still had some taining in engineering principles and design, it wasnt just pure maths and chemistry. although the level of egineering and design would obviously not have been at the level of the mechanical engineering branches.

according to this guy he started of his racing carreer designing modifications for VW beetle racing. pretty long way to come wouldn't you say...

[Giblet]

There is something very duck beak like about its nose cone.

I see this

[Mr Alcatraz]

14:00 All set prior to the rain starting just before 10am local time this morning. Glock has yet to complete a flying lap for Virgin.

At least they actually have a car there.
Terrible conditions even for installation laps.

[zgred]