2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[CjC]

This they want a screen shot or something to look at as evidence .

Anyone can post numbers on a forum

[techman]

Then how come they aren't beating Redbull and Toro-Rosso? Everyone knows Mclaren has the best chassis on the grid.

i think mclaren chassis is the weakest link in this partnership. did you see the monaco,race, it a chassis cirucit where good chassis will help big time and, the pace in practice and qual and race was horrible, if not for max crashing out in Q2 , alonso would not have got in to Q3. and in the race if not for mclaren excellent pit stops and rosberg and sainz making bad pitstops, and also other top drivers crashing, out mclaren would not have got any points, Jenson button said it best post race, if the race was dry mclaren would find it hard to get points in monaco. the pace was that bad, mclaren chassis has a huge chunk of performace missing. hopefully they get it sorted out soon. i dont expect mclaren to be good in hungary, which is also another chassis circuit. Redbull and torro rosso have two of the best chassis on the grid, it easy for any manufacturer who supply them to shine, because those chassis are very aero efficient, Just look at the works renualt, they are lagging so much behind redbull, all due to chassis. its only in power circuits that mclaren can at least come close to redbull and torro rosso. i would rank it 6th best.

[BeardedAce]

Then how come they aren't beating Redbull and Toro-Rosso? Everyone knows Mclaren has the best chassis on the grid.

i think mclaren chassis is the weakest link in this partnership. did you see the monaco,race, it a chassis cirucit where good chassis will help big time and, the pace in practice and qual and race was horrible, if not for max crashing out in Q2 , alonso would not have got in to Q3. and in the race if not for mclaren excellent pit stops and rosberg and sainz making bad pitstops, and also other top drivers crashing, out mclaren would not have got any points, Jenson button said it best post race, if the race was dry mclaren would find it hard to get points in monaco. the pace was that bad, mclaren chassis has a huge chunk of performace missing. hopefully they get it sorted out soon. i dont expect mclaren to be good in hungary, which is also another chassis circuit. Redbull and torro rosso have two of the best chassis on the grid, it easy for any manufacturer who supply them to shine, because those chassis are very aero efficient, Just look at the works renualt, they are lagging so much behind redbull, all due to chassis. its only in power circuits that mclaren can at least come close to redbull and torro rosso. i would rank it 6th best.

I think Boulier has already blamed Honda PU for the chassis shortcomings. Said they are having to compromise the chassis to make up for the bad PU, that's why all the tirewear woes and excessive wheelspin.

[kasio]

This they want a screen shot or something to look at as evidence .

Anyone can post numbers on a forum

You can make picture as well Its easy. Comon! just believe!
I think most important is not to request source but tell thanks!
Just build confidence in people if They fail You - don't believe them! but dont ask for source - it's rude.

[techman]

Did you have read eric claim that mclaren will get a podium in monaco, due to the nature of the monaco circuit, how far is that from the truth, its the least power circuit and then hungary is next, it does not hurt to add downforce as a good handling car even with a power defecit will help in monaco but mclaren had bad pace all throughtout, check driver quotes. we all know eric job is in the line, no wonder he is trying to defend his position in the team because he oversees the development of the chassis and operations. As for compromising setup, mclaren rain a double monkey wing in monaco, only team to do it they ran extreme downforce but the chassis is not good enough. the gap to redbull was huge, and it only in power cirucits that gap is very close, that show the engine is decent but chassis need to improve a lot

[Redragon]

Alo said on interview that the 348km/h was because got lucky on straight going behind of a car but realistically is 340 or 338 km/h
http://www.marca.com/motor/formula1/gp- ... b45b1.html

[Redragon]

Button 348km/h more than 10km/h than his team mate and is out of q3, so that chassis is not as good as Mclaren are saying. I think it is time to stop to blame the ones who are paying for this project Honda. And be more professionals about it.

[Sayeman]

Toto keeps saying that Ferrari and Redbull has caught up and here we are Mercedes 1.7s ahead of everyone
Alonso out, blames traffic, argh horrible day!

[CjC]

Man, I knew I should have posted the article that's said McLaren are having to create low drag downforce (everyone tries that ). Because the PU is down on power, I believe the Honda boss agrees with that too. McLaren are having to compromise on a aero philosophy that will see them do ok at the majority of tracks.

It made sense in the article, better than how I'm explaining it.
It was an explanation as to why Mclaren weren't that good in Monaco.

[Sayeman]

"The Spaniard was 27km/h down on the fastest car, the Williams of Valtteri Bottas (366.1km/h)."
See how the media tries to put all the blames on Honda? not a mention of that 366km/h resulting from slipstreaming, Have they seen Button's Top speed?
Fernando says 8 tenths lost on the straight, where are the rest of the deficit coming from?

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclar ... ontent=www

[McG]

Exactly. I'm almost speechless that there are people who are trying to 'blame' McLaren for any of this.

Honda do a great job at drawing in old and new fans because they are very common, that's why we have actual McLaren fans bashing McLaren and sticking up for Honda.

The Honda PU as a whole lacks power and that is the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if it still lacks drivability and it's actually McLaren's good mechanical grip making up for that. Once the engine is on par with the rest then we can judge the chassis design philosophy.

Man, I knew I should have posted the article that's said McLaren are having to create low drag downforce (everyone tries that ). Because the PU is down on power, I believe the Honda boss agrees with that too. McLaren are having to compromise on a aero philosophy that will see them do ok at the majority of tracks.

It made sense in the article, better than how I'm explaining it.
It was an explanation as to why Mclaren weren't that good in Monaco.

[CjC]

"The Spaniard was 27km/h down on the fastest car, the Williams of Valtteri Bottas (366.1km/h)."
See how the media tries to put all the blames on Honda? not a mention of that 366km/h resulting from slipstreaming, Have they seen Button's Top speed?
Fernando says 8 tenths lost on the straight, where are the rest of the deficit coming from?

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclar ... ontent=www

That's on one straight tho, what about the others?

[proteus]

Button 348km/h more than 10km/h than his team mate and is out of q3, so that chassis is not as good as Mclaren are saying. I think it is time to stop to blame the ones who are paying for this project Honda. And be more professionals about it.

Any chasis with less angled wings will be bad in a circuit like this against higher downforce. And i dare to bet that Manor doesnt have a better chasis than Mclaren and jet look where they finished qualifying session. Manor is a perfect example how much difference is made by a powerfull engine on a track with long straights and how much Honda is still lacking. Best of all, i firmly believe Manor has a double digit less hps than Mercedes.

Honda is getting better and they improved massively, but they are still a long way from a top contending power unit system. Honda itself has roughly a second deficit in full quali mode, and chasis atleast 0.5seconds, even more depending on the circuit. If Mclaren would have the power equal than fastest teams they would not be suffering on straights, and jet most of the passes they suffer are achieved on the straights where the car is not fast enough to outrun others even with their DRS closed.

I believe in Honda that next year they will achieve what are they trying to in last two years. But this year we will be seeing few points here and there. My guess is Mclaren can achieve arround another 20-30 points till the end of the season.

[DiogoBrand]

Two facts that won't change in the near future.
1 - McLaren's chassis isn't as good as they try to make it seem.
2 - As long as Honda solely supplies McLaren, they'll be blamed for the majority of McLaren's problems.

[diffuser]

Two facts that won't change in the near future.
1 - McLaren's chassis isn't as good as they try to make it seem.
2 - As long as Honda solely supplies McLaren, they'll be blamed for the majority of McLaren's problems.

I think mclaren chassis is close to FI. So with merc pu i think arond Baku podium was possible.